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Posted by jeremy on March 1, 2011 9:55 pm.



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The video footage I used in the screenshots below is available at TV World Wide. Session 10 covers the public comments (direct link - backup copy on Vimeo), and session 9 is the round table.

The Presidential Commission for the Study of Bioethical Issues hosted a series of presentations this week, exploring ethical issues in neuroimaging and neuroscience experimentation. They got a little more than they bargained for.

The commission members knew something was up. Due to an ‘enormous’ number of people registering to make public comments, commenters were warned in advance they would be restricted to comments 90 seconds in length, during a special comment period shortly before the conclusion of the conference on Tuesday.

Irony thick enough to cut with a knife

 

Dr. Gutmann, asking what protections are in place today.

 

In the last round table segment before the final comment period, experimentation in Guatemala six decades ago (in which test subjects were involuntarily infected with syphillis1), was brought up. The commission head, Dr. Amy Gutmann, asked pointedly what steps had been taken to prevent that kind of experimentation from happening again, and if not, why not? Some round table participants acknowledged that sort of thing could be happening today.

Just fifteen minutes later, dozens of audience members were applauding as one involuntary human experimentee after another testified about their experiences with MKULTRA-style experimentation in the present day.

 

“In 2006, my life changed.”

 

 

“I will assure you that there is still experimentation going on.”

 

 

“Most of the research we’ve reviewed can be done remotely.”

 

 

“Where does it stop?”

 

 

“I am an 8 year victim/survivor of assaults by directed energy weapons.”

 

 

“I’ve been a human subject of experimentation for almost two years.”

 

 

“I’ve been a non-consenting subject of military/medical research.”

 

 

“I’ve been able to prove that this crime committed against others and myself is real…”

 

 

“We’d like one of our group to be on your committee… is there a chance that this could happen?”

 

 

“I was put into this 24/7 execution chamber.”

 

 

“Many victims, such as myself, are diagnosed with non-existent mental illnesses.”

 

 

Talking about the psychological manipulation used to put subjects in a defensive stance, weakening their will to resist.

 

 

“I think the criteria governing the selection of experimentees will prove to be a much bigger scandal than the experimentation itself.”

“Please do not wait 70 years to investigate this.”

“Human research/experimentation is being used to assassinate innocent people.”

“They make the victims of these programs to be diagnosed with a psychological illness - to hide these crimes.”

“I’ve relocated three or four times, and I’ve had a county officer tell me, ‘This will follow you’.”

“They can not protect themselves against this.”

“On March 1st, 2011, we came to you, and we told you.”

“Would you please help save my life?”

 

Impressions

There were several reporters present, even during the public comments session - but so far, there’s no coverage of the comments, positive or negative!

Ken Rhoades was a major catalyst in the proceedings, bringing the bioethics commission to the attention of many. He funded several attendees’ trips (including mine). Thanks, Ken!

The testimony was qualitatively different from the usual chatter on the conference calls. It was much better.

Everyone involved found this an energizing - even electrifying - event.

There is the matter of bringing these proceedings to the right peoples’ attention - that’s a project in itself. However, we’re getting close to making the disconnect between expressed concern for experimentees, and the actual treatment of experimentees in the present day, very embarrassing for people in high places.


 

  1. ^ "U.S. Apologizes for Syphilis Tests in Guatemala"; New York Times, October 2010.

 


  1. Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Jsmith

    Is it just me or are others not managing to get the videos playing?

     
    March 2, 2011 02:58:29 AM


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  3. Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  [email protected]

    A world wide Dachua (concentration camp) without a fence! The effect will be on the backs of our children even as it is now. They suffer also.

     
    March 2, 2011 05:16:38 AM


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    • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  stopthestalkers

      I can’t play the videos either …but iam going to submit my email I just written out what I’m sending :) ya!

       
      March 2, 2011 07:47:59 AM

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      • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  anon

        There is the matter of bringing these proceedings to the right peoples’ attention - that’s a project in itself. However, we’re getting close to making the disconnect between expressed concern for experimentees, and the actual treatment of experimentees in the present day, very embarrassing for people in high places.

        and:

        The testimony was qualitatively different from the usual chatter on the conference calls - much better.

        Everyone involved found this an energizing - even electrifying - event.

        CONGRATULATIONS to everyone who made the trip and stood up to be heard. Courage is contagious! : )
        Last night after getting home from work, I watched the 1-hr flash vid at the bioethics Web site. Even though the overall situation is just unthinkable, I am soooooo proud of everyone who compellingly spoke about what is already in currently happening. To see the Commissioners’ eyes grow wider with every speaker, Wow. Yep, methinks this little sprig of awareness might have been more than they expected. But zooming out a bit, I also think there are those further up the pipeline who know this is happening and had enough conscience to provide an intake valve to see just how bad it is (even if the gatekeepers for that entryway were somewhat visibly taken aback).

        I appreciate, too, the point made, that for every one person who was able to attend, it would be accurate for the Commission to consider those individuals to be representative of hundreds, if not thousands, more. And that given this revelation, the Commission could probably even proceed as though the criteria (percentage of population affected) had been met to suggest that an “epidemic” were underfoot. That was just brilliant!

        J, thank you for the formatting & presentation of video content in this post, it does make it so much more accessible to everyone. And btw, your quote about what may be considered most scandalous after all is said in done rang ever so true.

        Finally, a good for us moment.

         
        March 2, 2011 07:47:59 AM

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        • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  D. for Citizens That Know

          Bravo!! Please keep us posted. Excellent that it was recommended that we have a TI, at least one, preferably two, on that committee.

           
          March 2, 2011 08:14:30 AM


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          • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Tamborine

            Still can’t believe I did that :) But it goes down in history for me as the best thing I’ve done next to child birth. I’m very nervous about speaking in public when there are camera’s involved, but I did it and that is one small step for Tam. I think that it can only get easier to do going forward. I kept in mind the entire time that we would be facing the enemy while we were in DC, but also trying to keep hope alive.

            The parts of February 28th meeting that spoke to me the most were when Dr. Bruce Green said that currently they are able to conduct tests on humans without their cooperation. I learned that day that if you have a question during the question answer period that you should approach the microphone and stay put until you ask the question.

            Another thing that spoke to me during that days meeting was Martha Farah speaking about voodoo statistics, that is something I intend to look much further into.

            The final things that really blew my mind was Lawrence Corey, MD talking about the use of street theater and another shocking remark from one of the Ph.D.’s about redifing the words freedom and equality. I really couldn’t believe my ears. There was also talk of the dehumanization of people.

            One of the Ph.D.’s quoted Albert Schweitzer “We must not allow our technology to exceed our humanity.” I couldn’t agree more. What do you think the chances are of unethical researchers behaving that way, and even worse what are the chances that these monsters will be held accountable for their criminal behavior. It’s almost as though as long as you are wealthy and have those letters after your name, you are allowed to get away with murder.

            March 1st was an impressive meeting, the speakers were compelling and we all learned a lot, I suggest watching both days of the commission completely and have a note pad ready. I will be going over the archive again myself and making note of everything that speaks to the comminuty of non con test subjects (there was plenty stated that spoke to me).

            The best part of March 1st was when those of us who were able to travel to meeting stood and spoke to the commission. My favorite parts were Peters question to the commission and that he forced an answer. The next time we do this we need to ask A LOT more questions. Let’s hold these people responsible for what they’re doing. Miriams speech was great and exactly what I expected from her, she is a strong person, I loved what she had to say. Jeremy said it all and that was remarkable too, but no surprise to me either. Everyone did awesome and it was great meeting everyone, can’t wait to meet more. I started crying nearly 10 times before I stood to speak, and had to recompose so I didn’t lose it during my 90 seconds, which was no small order.

            I kept thinking about my children and how I could possibly incorporate them into what I planned to say, although that was a tall order because we had to hone our presentations down so much as the meeting drew near. Mine started at 4 minutes 20 seconds, then shrunk to 3 minutes and finally was forced down to 90 seconds. I am not going to complain to much about that fact however, because that only happened because of the impressive ammount of victims who actually showed up to the meeting. It was spectacular.

            This was only our first attempt, there’s no guarantee that they’ll discuss our issues again, but they’ll have to do some fancy fast talking in order to avoid going there, this is why they are meeting, so they will have to continue discussing these issues and they’ll have to allow public comment again. Next time we’ll know what to expect and we’ll be much better prepared!

            Kuddo’s, props, high 5’s, hugs and yahoo’s to everyone who made it and to everyone who didn’t make it but was there in heart and spirit supporthing us.

            March 2, 2011 10:53:34 AM

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            • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Shannon

              I would like to know where I can find the testimony given by the victims?

              I watched the videos provided in the link but there was nothing there pertaining to the victims of electronic harassment and the photos above. Nor was I able to catch it on C-SPAN.

              Did I miss something?

               
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              • Direct link  jeremy

                By popular demand, I’ve added a direct link to the testimony at the top of the article. Here it is:

                http://www.tvworldwide.com/events/bioethics/110228/default.cfm?id=13288&type=flv&test=0&live=0

                March 2, 2011 01:49:57 PM

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                • Re: Direct link  Addiss

                  Jeremy,
                  I feel you found your purpose in life. You wipe out my tears, gave me a little hope to my heart and strength to my mind, though we still have a long way to go. It feels like dream to see this day and I don’t have enough words to express my appreciation for you. We may not have the evidence needed to show to the world as black and white, but we hold the truth. Our request is the right to lead a normal life like any other person and justice to what they already have done to us. May my lord be with you and bless your house. I will reach you soon.

                   
                  March 4, 2011 12:23:56 PM


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                  • Re: Direct link  Shannon

                    Thank you Jeremy for providing the direct link to Public Comment section of the hearings; in addition to, all of your hard work.

                    Thank you!

                     

                     
                    March 4, 2011 02:34:24 PM


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                • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Truth

                  Congratulations to all the TI’s that spoke at the conference. I am sure that was a little unnerving to do but you all did a good job which made the video compelling to watch. You all had the moral courage to expose these crimes perpetrated against all of us and I thank you for that. Good job!

                  March 2, 2011 01:32:39 PM

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                  • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  WVMothman

                    I am proud of those who went before the bioethics committee, the testimonies were poignant and to the point basically.
                    Ground breaking as this is it’s the first time I presented the nature of this committee to my co-workers and friends, some were
                    curious and some obviously ashamed by the look on their faces (perps).
                    Tammy made a key point in the toxic nature of prescribed psychotropic drugs and misdiagnosis; me and possibly my sister
                    have been subjects of foul psychiatry which almost resulted in the loss of my career and the quality of life for my sister as well.
                    Also Jeremy made a good point about whose fingerprints were on the tracking technology and the subtle nature in which this
                    is carried out.

                    I am more determined now to discover loopholes in this technology and exploit it’s weaknesses.

                    I say bravo!.

                    March 2, 2011 02:32:03 PM

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                    • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  freedom

                      Hi

                      I first learned of the bioethics commission from Norman Rabin. He encouraged us to become involved.

                      The courage of the people who went to this commission is to be commended. The History made was compelling as well as that it cannot be erased as it was recorded and it cannot be taken away as more than 20 people spoke.

                      Looking forward to May.

                       
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                      • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Tamborine

                        THE NEXT BIOETHICS COMMISSION MEETING: I really hope that all targets will review the entire meeting archive (both days) & make a list of questions. Peter Rosenholm showed us that we are there to demand answers, not to give our testimonies. Next time we go let’s have a list of very good questions to demand of the people who can make a difference. It’s our job to force their hand. Anyone who can make it to the meeting needs to be able to pose questions and demand answers. If as a group we can compose that list, we can send it with ANYBODY who makes it to commission meetings.

                        Please watch the ENTIRE archive (ALL SESSIONS) from the link below, TAKE NOTES, come up with questions for the commission.

                        http://www.tvworldwide.com/events/bioethics/110228/

                        I hope that every test subject of nonconsentual experimentation will go over this material, it is very telling to people in our position.

                        Also, don’t forget that at any time we can e-mail the commission or mail them evidence or testimony. This needs to happen in a credible way and a way that goes along with their agenda and what they are investigating. Studying the entire meeting will give you a full education on what is happening for us through the commission, if we can make that happen. IT’S UP TO US!

                        Have a DEW free day!

                        Love,

                        Tam

                        March 2, 2011 06:09:24 PM

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                        • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  D. for Citizens That Know

                          20 people!!!…awesome!!! Great review Tam! Keep feeling free to share as those who were rooting for you would still be interested in your follow-up thoughts. I may have inadvertently created a ‘cause’ when I shared this page on Facebook.

                           
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                          • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  stevieboyzvoice

                            Wow! So proud of everyone that made the trip and got up to testify. Wish I could have been there. Also, don’t be surprised if a film script isn’t started addressing these issues, but beware, it will have a spin that AGAIN let’s the power behind these atrocities off the hook. Tam,way to go. In regards to a script, it’s interesting because I know of a new project from ABC that deals with identity thef, with overtones of T.I. stuff. Of course, these projects always have an alternative plan to them and seldom tell the real truth or hold the Gang-stas behind it responsible.
                            I am a little reluctant to get too excited about the powers that be to do anything at this point. However, if we get this out, to as many different news sources, then we have some control over it and it doesn’t just fade away. sorry, but I think the work begins NOW
                            For at least 12 years I believed I was alone!! Crazy.
                            Love
                            Stephen

                             
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                            • Potential problems  jeremy

                              Peter brought up a couple of issues.

                              They got a few names wrong (including mine). Statements from people they don’t want to investigate might just get dropped on the floor. “Gee, this guy’s testimony was pretty convincing, but we can’t find a file on anyone by the name of Peter Rose.”

                              Also, submitting mounds of testimony really doesn’t help matters unless you have proof of what’s happened to you (and just about nobody does). I know many people want to turn in their copies of various newspaper articles on these subjects. But burying them under tons of redundant documents will slow their investigation, at best. All they really need is your name and a brief statement of your grievances.

                              Peter thinks people who testified should make sure their correct names, phone numbers, and email addresses got through.

                              March 3, 2011 01:01:24 AM

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                              • Re: Potential problems  Roxanne

                                I appreciated the point about it being difficult, as individuals, to prove what’s happening to us, that we need an investigation. I do not know how the press works, but maybe a brief write-up sent to different news organizations?

                                March 3, 2011 06:07:53 AM

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                              • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  mej313

                                Dr. John Hall gave another interview on Coast to Coast am this morning (March 3, 2011). He said there had been no media coverage of TI testimony during the Commission conference, so there is no wider public recognition of this hidden phenomenon.

                                Today, as I was listening to a prerecorded college radio show on WNYU called “Mess Around”, the DJ took a short news break to quickly announce that the Commission had held a discussion on the Guatemala experiments. That was all that was mentioned on Bioethical concerns. The Informed Consent issue was never brought up.

                                What is necessary next time (is it May, then?) is to ensure media coverage. This is going to ratchet-up the stakes a bit and help to stop the uniform discrediting of TI’s. For all people preparing for this next round, please make sure to include at least some form of media coverage whether from a large media source or a small regional paper mandatory.

                                I was empowered by watching the video. I still have not yet found the right support group, as I encountered a bad experience in one of the FFCHS conference calls. Perhaps someone has a recommendation for a good group and day of week. Thanks! And keep up the good work. The hundreds or thousands of people unable to speak are cheering you on and counting on the work you do now.

                                 
                                March 3, 2011 07:31:51 AM

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                                • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  D. for Citizens That Know

                                  Perhaps one person can send a letter that says ‘thank you’ for opening up a slot for the 20 people who were able to attend the meeting. Then list the names and other pertinent info.

                                  from my perspective:

                                  1. This all came to be because of the hard work of all the TI’s to sustain themselves and their loved ones while continuing to do battle with this ‘issue.’ Many have succumb or were rubbed out.

                                  2. Most importantly, the ‘war’ has been a psychological one from the beginning. we are battling people who have great need to control & manipulate others. They are incapable of handling life in any other way because they have developmental disorder where they can’t bring together perception and form sound judgment. They are excellent, though, at seeming to be absolute authorities. This is known as ‘Narcissistic Personality Disorder’ . they can only manage their internal chaos by projecting it outward and ‘trying’ to dewal with it there. It never works. They create only more hardship & chaos. [As we know…oh, do we.]

                                  3. Therefore if we get some relief on just this particular form of experimentation , the people with the disorder who create the gangs, mobs, governments, etc. to dysfunctionally help them ‘act out’, it does not stop the disorder from finding other means. we have to address the power that they pathologically have to grab to function.

                                  4. They will not make this easy for us. They cannot to anything other than what they already do- manipulate, twist reality, and attack. It is a mental illness. THEY will do anything and everything toavoid being wrong. This disorder is a form of ‘hysteria’ (the parts of the personality falls apart and creates panic). THEY would even start a world war to distract and evade. So be prepared we still have a battle to be won.

                                  I feel elated that we have taken back our power, but in days ahead we must be as assertive and protective of ourselves as ever. THEY are going to get hysterical and do rash things. So be prepared because THEY can never back down. Only pretend to back down to get you off your guard.

                                  In nature no being has the luxury of being unwary and off-guard. It should never have been for humans either. It is the disordered narcissist that grabbed hold of society and made it seem impolite to not be a patsy. So lets make sure they no longer have the say about what society is.

                                  My studied opinion based on an upbringing by disordered ‘perps’.

                                   
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                                  • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Roxanne

                                    I agree and also besides some kind of narcissistic thing there must be fear of getting caught and/or vengeance. I think these peoples’ names and pictures would be in newspapers around the world and in history books, like Hitler’s. I think their children would be ashamed of them. Think of the worldwide paranoia and fear. The longer we wait the more severe it will be.

                                    March 3, 2011 11:59:45 AM

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                                    • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  D. for Citizens That Know

                                      Definitely. Narcissists are very defensive in their behavior and completely fixated on self-protection. But this could the form of being unnaturally charming and disarming, so they can prey on and manipulate people. I think everyone has had an experience with this type of disordered person.They can be completely irresistable until they bash you or someone in the group to scare everyone into submission to their will. I don’t mean to be off topic. But, in the ‘art of war’ it is very important to know your enemy. Our enemy is this disorder and in every person in whom it exists. IMHO

                                       
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                                      • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Mau

                                        I agree that probably a lot of those involved exhibit aberrent behavioral characteristics, but I think to understand WHY so many people go along with ‘diabolical’ widespread plots like this, which I equate with the holocaust & slavery–is i think more complex. Most people are followers and if someone that they perceive as having “authority” tells them to do something, unfortunately, 9 times out of 10, they WILL do it. Especially if it’s framed in a way to make them feel as if they are helping out or aiding said “authority”. I also think that mainstream media is USELESS and completely ignores this issue b/c they know its pandora’s box and the ones who may be inclined to explore it are probably visited “subliminally” by the same people who visit some of us. I am a victim of v2k so I know of what I speak. But I predict that this will be a major story this summer and will lead to congressional hearings. Evil has an expiration date, and God knows this one has gone on long beyond that. It’s just amazing to me how evil, diabolical and duplicitous the US govt can be. On the one hand they project themselves as the arbiters of justice and on the other they commit crimes against humanity that would make Lucifer blush. And then we have the fact that MOST americans do NOT want to believe that their govt could do this to people and that THEY could be next. I dont know HOW we convey the sense of urgency to people. WE are the sample guinea pigs BUT once they have perfected this insidious plan–EVERYBODY will be affected. WE need to get that point across somehow.

                                         
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                                  • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Alice

                                    I thought after watching this,I am not a lone. Bless all of you that spoke and went for so many of us that could not. I was shocked to hear details that I heard, I’ve lived that. As so many spoke the tears came up many times, I understood their pain. If you have lived this you understand it.Now some gave sites to reach them, I must go and thank them. Al

                                     
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                                    • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  D. for Citizens That Know

                                      if you google ‘Bioethics Commission’ you can see that several media sources have covered that there was ameeting based on unvoluntary experiments from the past. As first I felt that the articles were amiss because they left out the part of 20 citizens showing up to say their piece. Then I relaized, from my own experience with sending out press releases, often articles are written entirely based on the information provided in the press release that went out befor ethe event.

                                      So, what is necessary now is to quickly get information into the hands of those same media sources with a press release from the TI’s to provide them with info about our purpose in going to the Bioethics Commission. This should include a proactive aspect and state what we want to accomplish. that these publications and other media outlets chose to report at all on the Bioethics Commission is an excellent intro to our sending them additional info in another press release. Press Releases should also include follow up thank yous to the reporters who do cover what we’ve sent. Then it is more likely that those outlets &/or reporters will cover future press releases i.e before the next Bioethics Commission meeting in May.

                                      So in addition to WNYC there is also: (taken from google)
                                      Stemming From 1940s Sexually Transmitted Disease Experiments In…
                                      Dr. Amy Gutmann, Chair of the Presidential Commission for the Study of Bioethical Issues, has announced the formation of an International Research Panel to consider the standards… ‘Medical News Today’

                                      · 14 hours ago Bioethics panel to tackle U.S. history of human experiments- ‘Houston Chronicle’

                                      -Bioethics Panel Told No Guarantee Against Unethical Research ‘Huffingtonpost.com’

                                       
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                                      • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  D. for Citizens That Know

                                        Here’s another article

                                        http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/current/latestnews/030311-4.html

                                         
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                                        • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  D. for Citizens That Know

                                          I’m wondering, if you Jeremy, the writer and because you were at the meeting could write something brief about the public comment part of the meeting and what the TI’s said? Also, what do we want? We have to be proactive and state what it is we want.

                                          1. We want our human rights

                                          2. We want to not live as prisoners, criminals or mentally ill people which is what they’ve contrived for us (because they are projecting their inner illness onto us).

                                          I want to send this in to the radio station so that it’s not just up for them to interpret when they see the video. Anyway, a synopsis is going to entice them to view the video. It’s not like they have loads of time to look at everything in depth.

                                           
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                                          • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  jeremy

                                            I think the really big thing here is the testimony which is on record at the bioethics site and is not going to go away. I’m still digesting what that’s going to imply for the future. We have to come to terms with whatever tactical errors were made.

                                            Going by the responses on a reddit.com psychology thread about these proceedings, the skeptics have a very loud voice and will shout down sympathizers/lab rats. The favorable responses are obviously from sympathizers directed there from the /r/conspiracy thread. We can’t “bus in” enough sympathizers to drown out the skeptics.

                                            (Activities like engaging with skeptics are still useful because of how you get to map out the opposition’s battle lines. But you can’t win them over.)

                                            My time is limited and my regulars are here for analysis and understanding. My view is that public relations should flow naturally out of situational awareness and knowledge - PR shouldn’t be a manufactured product or deliberate propagandizing. Lies and spin are luxuries we can’t afford.

                                            March 3, 2011 07:11:01 PM

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                                            • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Concerned

                                              Quote-“PR shouldn’t be a manufactured product or deliberate propagandizing. Lies and spin are luxuries we can’t afford.”

                                              But, this *is* the game *they* play, day in, day out.

                                               
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                                              • Re: PR  jeremy

                                                Yep, obviously when I’m speaking of what PR should be, I mean what our PR should be. They have effectively unlimited resources to throw at their lies.

                                                March 3, 2011 11:07:25 PM

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                                              • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  anon

                                                Overall, having testimony did more good than not. We got a foot in the door and we’re not about to retreat anytime soon. Yet I’m curious, and to put in lessons learned file for future ref (May session, for example), what, in your view, were tack errors coming out of the event? (If you feel like you can say w/o bolstering oppo - nonetheless, feedback will improve our presence & TPMs.

                                                Agreed re: engaging oppo for purpose of mapping battle lines
                                                Agreed that all we need to do is tell the truth. We don’t need any spin. Our challenge is that our message is also fraught with disbelief that our country would allow this kind of thing, pain from torture and the other effects of someone trying to neutralize you as a human being & active citizen. Those are still talking points that should be included in the memo, right along with the other points we made about being target practice.

                                                BTW, I listened to HRC speaking to the UN about countries like Libya firing on its own citizens. I wanted to forward to her a link to the commission testimony.

                                                 
                                                March 4, 2011 06:10:37 AM

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                                                  i have been commenting w/o having seen the video archive of the Bioethics Meeting. Finally had the opportunity last night (Couldn’t wait to see it!) Now I see for myself how well it went. It seems that the people who spoke managed to cover a tremendous amount.

                                                  I do believe in PR. Now that I have viewed the video I can speak and present it from my own perspective. Sorry, Jeremy, I didn’t mean to put you on the spot. Your writing here is so very much needed and appreciated.

                                                  No one should lose sight though that this is a war. We are at war, we are under seige and those people are unrelenting. To think that our goal is ‘… win them over’ would be fruitless. As you said, we can’t. We are fighting a human condition that flows from a specific psychological disorder. It has manifested into the form we’ve been experiencing in this time and place. As we know, it is manifesting in different forms of ‘genocide’ in different parts of the planet.

                                                  This said we are all working this through brilliantly. But, we have to make no mistake that our enemy is ruthless, unrelenting and is well ahead of us at reorganizing and morphing into anything they have to be to keep their psyches intact. I believe that it isn’t meant to be that they will have the final say.

                                                   
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                                                I am wondering though, J., is someone going to send a letter to the Commission and the President as follow-up, to acknowledge ‘our’ being there? i think that follow through is important. i will write and send it, if necessary. We have to be even more assertive as taxpayers, citizensd , adults etc. who have been tortured in our own homes and our country and say that this and we will be sitting on them until they take action.. This, as we know, is not a minor discomfort that can wait. We’ve needed out years ago. We’ve needed for this to never have happened and for us to tolerate even another minute of it is egregious and on their heads, now!!

                                                 
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                                                • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  lkjohnson

                                                  I want to thank everyone who went and spoke,in Washington, and for posting it so those who could not go could see it! The testemonies were powerful,sincere,and shows what a desperate situation we have endured. I hope for change, through legislation. I dont know if there is any cause and effect relating to the hearings, but things have gone nuts around here, with increased use and intensity of energy weapons,along with the regular tactics. No break, no sleep. I hope that this will bring about a change, public outcry, and put an end to non consensual experimentation.

                                                  March 4, 2011 09:39:51 PM

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                                                  • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Tamborine

                                                    We should all be leaving comments for these reporters to review. This will be mine:

                                                    I have to question why the media is not reporting about the 20 victims of current unethical research projects who were in attendance and spoke during session 10 of the meeting on March 1, 2011. Is there any valid reason for this omission? We deserve to be heard and we deserve to be vindicated for the hell we’ve been put through by criminals in these fields. The people conducting research on humans today without their consent do not even get a slap on the wrist. They should be prosecuted and held to account for the hideous things they are doing to other human beings.

                                                    March 5, 2011 09:58:01 AM

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                                                      Tam, I’ve been trying to spread the word that targets should not get into condemning reporters for ‘not’ having reported about the Public Comment session. The reporters likely wrote articles based on the press release sent prior to the Bioethics Meetings, and may not have stayed for session 10. It is far better to just get the info in their hands and show them what happened additionally at the Bioethics Meeting. Proactive, not reactive and defensive.

                                                       
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                                                        Honestly, I have been thinking that TI’s are their own worst enemy. I would personally like to kick in the butt any TI who wrote to a publication that has covered the Bioethics meeting with some derogatory remarks, instead of appreciation for the fact that this issue is being raised, and offering more info ‘straight from the horses mouth’- that is the TI’s own experiences.

                                                         
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                                                        • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Roxanne

                                                          I think this is good advice. Maybe the best follow-up would be “Amy Gutman, thankyou for exploring these issues. Our community has high hopes this commission will be able to look into…” etc.

                                                          March 6, 2011 06:43:19 AM

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                                                          • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Roxanne

                                                            The commission was set up at Pres. Obama’s request, so maybe the note should be to him and Amy Gutman. We could also be liberal with our copies sent to (cc’s). Maybe McCain or other legislators and possible allies: Cheryl Welsh, Nick Begich (he spoke to European Parliament). If you wrote it, it wouldn’t have to be long, we all could look it over on this site and add our signatures as concerned citizens, if not TI’s.

                                                            March 6, 2011 07:33:15 AM

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                                                            • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Roxanne

                                                              This would set us up well for May. We could voice our concern for the future of personal autonomy–this should be exactly one of the concerns of the commission, also pushing for legisation in all 50 states against EM weapons.

                                                              March 6, 2011 07:55:04 AM

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                                                                I’d write it. Something brief would be best. I don’t want to do so, out of line with our community though. Do I speak for all who attended the Bioethics meeting? Also there was the comment that they didn’t get people’s names straight. So I thought the letter could include each person’s name who spoke. I guess also the names of all who attended. That may irk some people, though. i.e. FFCHS may want to speak on their own behalf. How do we do this…?

                                                                Also, I had asked that they send me a confirmation of my e-mailed case summary. But, I didn’t receive it. So I may send a return receipt requested letter. I don’t think a thank you from the attendees should go in with that letter, though.

                                                                 
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                                                                • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Roxanne

                                                                  Yes, we need to get agreement. Or as concerned citizens, maybe just some of us could get together and write. Would this be OK with everyone? We could still post it and see what people think. I think it would be good to keep the attention on our concern: simple, short, like a follow-up for an job interview.

                                                                  March 7, 2011 06:09:08 AM

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                                                                  • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Roxanne

                                                                    Of course, we need to prepare for May the way Tam suggests too (watch the videos and write responses.)

                                                                    March 7, 2011 06:16:17 AM

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                                                                      I agree on both remarks Roxanne. Does anyone have the list of names of people who attended the Bioethics meeting? That’s to make sure they have all the names correct. Thinking about this though, it seems that the letter should come from one of the people who was actually there.
                                                                      Not to prolong this though. Better to get something in. But be proactive list our needs.

                                                                      How in American can anyone in authority sit and let citizens be tortured and have their lives ruined? I had an assassination attempt made on me two nights ago!!! Someone put 14 more lbs of air in my trailer tire than is normal. The other tire had the right air pressure. But, I can’t go to the police!! This is friggin’ idiotic!!!

                                                                       
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                                                        • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  JackOrr

                                                          Nice job expose the corrupt Cops and FBI perps, One guy said he was being harassed by fire trucks every time he left the house.
                                                          Pretty soon the everybody in the U.S and the world will know about this, the billboards are a big part of it, all we need is a few billboards
                                                          in every state. They will have to have laws in every state banning all these weapons. Coming soon.

                                                           
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                                                          • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Tamborine

                                                            I hear what you’re saying D. and Jack, and I think it’s valid, but I also am quite sick (in my own life) of watching these thugs just do whatever they want and getting away with it. It is sickening to be tortured for so long and the monsters inflicting it just go on about their lives as if they’re doing nothing wrong. They have to be held accountable. I want justice and I don’t believe I’ll ever see that if I do not make an attempt at getting the word out there. Possible if somebody sees that post in the comments section of the articles, they will view session 10 on their own and start spreading the word.

                                                            Wouldn’t it be great too if John & Mary Public put down their joysticks, turn off their televisions, shut off facebook and start getting active and making sure that they leave this world a safe and better place for the next generation. I just do not want to shut up, so I wont. As long as we allow it, it will never change.

                                                            March 6, 2011 07:15:33 AM

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                                                            • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Mau

                                                              I agree with you. Don’t mean to offend anyone but the people who have conceived of, implemented and executed these nazi-like pogroms ARE SEEEKING OUR DEATHS or destruction! They DIDNT ASK my permission or consent to transmit 24 hr non stop v2k to my brain and they have NO intention of stopping UNLESS FORCED to do so, SO forgive me if I don’t f%%%kin feel like I NEED to be polite about being involuntarily tortured as a law-abiding citizen of this so-called democracy! The people in Wisconsin aren’t being nice about having their damn collective bargaining rights taken away so WHY do we feel the need to be polite about weapons that ARE killing us WITHOUT CAUSE! THEY are the criminals and I refuse to suffer in silence so if people think me impolite, damn them! I won’t apologize. When someone has you in a death-hold, you don’t say excuse me can you loosen your grip, you say, do ANYTHING you have to do to get that mutha-sucka off you! The govt BROUGHT WAR to US, not the other way around!

                                                               
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                                                              I find that people stop listening when fingers point to someone else and away from a person’a personal experience. Saying what you’ve been experiencing and how it affects you is far more trustworthy information that people can hear. Of course, it is useful to give a context i.e when Jeremy said that what we’ve been experiencing has CIA written all over it. That is a very different way of presenting the info however. Many of us know who has participated in harming us. It eats at me everyday to know and not ‘know’ how to address this. Send them postcards… i.e. I know that you came into my home and destroyed my belongings and annihilated my pets?

                                                              Really, when it comes to ‘talking’ to people who are so lame that they would participate and do these things, it seems like a waste of breath. They obviously have no personal integrity or self awareness. You’d get a more fervent response from an insect. Flies are much smarter than these people.

                                                               
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                                                              • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  JackOrr

                                                                At least something is getting done now, we might have investigations from the comission, which can bring laws and bans on these weapons.
                                                                5 ago years their was nothing, FFCHS has 10 billboards in california and are supposed to rotate and move them to other states, That is
                                                                the best thing their is, pretty soon you will see many more Walberts winning these cases and ending all this crap.
                                                                Corrupt government will be forced to end their crimes.

                                                                 
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                                                                • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Tamborine

                                                                  We can’t afford to look at things that way D. I’m sorry, I understand your passionate disdain for your attackers, I and every other person in these programs have felt it at one time or another. I too know EXACTLY who has committed these crimes and I want justice! We all do. Let’s not allow the scum bags to force us to lose focus. They’ll make our lives hell (NO DOUBT ABOUT IT)! We can not allow that to detour us from our end game. Let’s expose what’s happening, let’s refuse to submit and face our enemy head on!

                                                                  March 6, 2011 01:09:41 PM

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                                                                    Getting back to this point, Tam, just to clarify. When I wrote above ‘Really, when it comes to ‘talking’ to people who are so lame that they would participate and do these things, it seems like a waste of breath. They obviously have no personal integrity or self awareness. You’d get a more fervent response from an insect. Flies are much smarter than these people.’ What I am talking about here is that the people who are the genesis of this problem are emotionally deaf. They cannot hear us or respond to our needs or well being. They are disordered. We cannot change them. It won’t happen. I know this from knowing these types of people personally. Our tactics have to be directed to those that can hear us. I hope this distinction makes sense. We are fighting a mental disorder. It’s called “Narcissistic Personality Disorder’.

                                                                     
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                                                                    • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  lkjohnson

                                                                      It’s noticable that a lot of the people who participate seem well adjusted, and are professionals, yet are willing to do what is necessary to complete the goals in gangstalking. What compels them? Is it money, fear, or they all imoral sociopaths? Do they size up each participant, and find their weakness? No one deserves this, and no one is immune to becomming a target. When society as a whole will no longer tolerate this, we will see changes. Every effort to getting the word out, in the media, and with billboards, is the first step. May’s bio-ethics commision will be another tool in affecting change.

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                                                                  • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  osinisrael

                                                                    sorry for my english, i’m from israel
                                                                    Is it just my case or have you noticed they are imlpying there’s a bigger picture to all of this?
                                                                    do you guys get “skits” and riddles involving your harrasment on web advertisements ( street signs, bilboards, signs on vehicles, numeric coinsidences )?
                                                                    I’m still having a hard time understanding a few things i’d like to discuss with you here

                                                                    talking about the basics of covert harrasment, do you get to see almost every vehicle on your block or on the highway with only one of the rearlights on ( this is probably used for signaling ) ?
                                                                    there’s a site called spy & counterspy, they reviwed some of the tactics FBI ( shin-beth in israel ) use to surveill their suspects, it’s alot like organized harrasment
                                                                    I also wanted to talk about my case specifically:
                                                                    I live in israel in a place called Kfar-yona where the harrasment takes place in, I traveled to Ukraine on september and the harrasment followed me there, when I got back from ukraine at the ben-guryon airport, stepping out I saw people crouding around most of them with sunglasses ( I’m sure this doesn’t sound unusual, but it is only because my lack of ability to explain it to you ), it made me feel awkward but I try not to pay attention to these stuff since I know it is meant to install fear and anxiety from whatever it is that’s happening
                                                                    my harrasment is somewhat unusual in a way, when I was in ukraine ( uman, a jewish religious “festival” ) amazingly people crouded me on my way to the appartment, laughed, clapped and shouted from the windows of the upper floors, when people saw me they started spitting on the floor, when I got back to the apartment after having seen not once not twice but close to two hundred different orthodox jewish men which were spread around ( yes, even people that I know and got in touch with before the harrasment ), cursing, clapping, laughing, spitting, behaving like i’m an outcast, making me feel worse ( this was intentional and aimed towards me as part of the harrasment, I just can’t express myself in a way you would understand that it is ) .. I felt like jesus being led to his death ( some implied I’m a reincarnation of jesus, without me attempting to imitate or follow him in any way )
                                                                    alot of stuff happened since then, Ive decided to stay at home and I’d rather not go out
                                                                    I wanted to ask if I should trust anyone deliberately trying to sabotage my life while in an “overt” way he’s acting all nice and cheerful ( but has a motivation to keep harrasing me and acting like a two faced prick )
                                                                    oh by the way, I’ve had a conversation about what I’ve just said about the harrasment in ukraine, so me and some other guy from the apartment were in the dining room, I told him:
                                                                    I don’t understand what is going on.. he said : what do you mean?
                                                                    so I told him about how I feel and what I see, and people implying I’ve done something hidious and aweful, so I told him.. “I don’t understand why, what have I done?” so one person bursts in the dining and dramatically says “what DIDNT you do..?!” and that guy I was talking to started laughing - any thoughts about this?
                                                                    so now, i’m like so confused.. hoping to have some better days

                                                                     
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                                                                      what you’ve written is quite understandable. It’s always hard to write about craziness, though. It doesn’t make sense.

                                                                      More and more, and reading your story, I feel that everyone is already being manipulated, and likely it is not done manually. It seems like a ‘targeted person’ can automatically set off abuse in other people. Really, it just looks, and feels, that way to me. Who could possibly want this to be the way society functions except truly insane people?

                                                                      osinisrael, if you’re on Facebook, could you friend me?

                                                                      Di Marigold

                                                                       
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                                                                      Tam, I’m not sure I’m following your line of thinking. The people who do these things can’t change. Facing them should be done at all times, and somehow they’ve been making me have to do it every day this week..another story.. . but they can never be changed so that the whole dynamic of this changes.

                                                                       
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                                                                      • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Justin

                                                                        I just listened through all these recorded public comments by TIs, and all I can say is, “Wow!” This would be hard to believe if I had not experienced some of these things myself. Sleep deprivation, mind control, possible mind-reading, and sexual stimulation by remote electronic weapons, occasional instances of overt V2K, frequent and unrelenting covert burglaries, highly intrusive surveillance, covert drugging, psychiatric misdiagnosis and incarceration, Stasi-like Zersetsung.

                                                                        Family and friends believe none of these things.

                                                                         
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                                                                        • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  maj

                                                                          My husband and I just recently went through “covert drugging”. First me, then my husband and I both. It came from a lawyer at a lawfirm and through the hospital-which i was admitted to almost a year ago.It is sick and mind twisted individuals with credentials who need a dose of their own evil ways-which they will one day get it-“you reap what you sow~” and it is definitely an attack on our belief system and a form of “trying to control” how you think and act-
                                                                          SICK, SICK, SICK! It just confirms my belief system and faith and the way I think and feel. It’s designed to depleat your resources, wear you down so you don’t or can’t fight back!!! Well, it’s back firing with us -It makes us stronger and pushes us to persevere, and press on more diligently!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                           
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                                                                          Justin,

                                                                          Jeremy provides the address to e-mail or snail mail a brief letter or case summary to the commission. Would you be willing to let them know that you believe that you are also a subject of these programs? he has put the links to other areyoutargeted pages, where you can find the addresses, at the top of this page.

                                                                           
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                                                                          • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Justin

                                                                            D,

                                                                            It sounds like they have ample testimony to begin an investigation into this issue if they wish to. I am still not sure if that is the proper forum to bring up gangstalking / electronic harassment issues. If the electronic harassment and covert drugging that is going on is research, then it is almost certainly military research, not once-bona fide medical research gone awry.

                                                                            Nonetheless, it is a serious ethical violation to use these weapons against ordinary civilians outside of a war zone.

                                                                             
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                                                                              Justin, I agree that they have enough evidence of wrong doing and harm to people to begin an investigation and to take immediate action to restore our rights. But, I don’t agree that ‘ample testimony’ should limit our representing who we are and how we are being affected? We all need to be compensated for these wrongs. And that had better be ample, because many if not all of us have ‘lost our lives’. Many have actually died; others have been denied enough the most basic quality of life, etc. As much of this as possible has to go on record IMO.

                                                                               
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                                                                              • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  lkjohnson

                                                                                I am praying for a change, a stop to the non lethal weapon terrorism, and experimentation, and hope for a future for all targets. I don’t know how there would be restitution for a loss of income for decades, and ill health from exposure, and the psychological losses of friends, that seem to be collateral damage.

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                                                                          • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  gettingby

                                                                            This is a good start, pressure needs to be kept up though. Bob Dylan, ‘Times they are a changing’.

                                                                             
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                                                                            • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Roxanne

                                                                              Getting by: I think we can all contribute by notifying possible allies, contacting our legislators, donating to billboards, supporting victims, in short helping to extricate from this mess, showing our responsibility and goodwill for fellow men.

                                                                              March 8, 2011 09:35:26 AM

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                                                                                Roxanne and all. If you are on Facebook could you friend me?

                                                                                - Di Marigold (It’s really D. Marigold, but Facebook doesn’t allow single initials. Anyway, it’s still moi.)

                                                                                 
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                                                                                  I am not on Facebook. But I’ll look it up.

                                                                                  March 10, 2011 01:00:47 PM

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                                                                            • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Detegrad_2011

                                                                              I am currently going through a chronically heightened and sustained torture campaign using a combination of advanced remote technologies. Most of the vicious attacks tend to coincide with documentation efforts of the remote torture as well as with active efforts to seek relief. Torture techniques used on me comprise a long list but, in the interest of not taking up too much space at a time, I am listing only a few. They include:

                                                                              1) Visceral torture (torture of internal organs) where, using microscopic-sized photonic devices, the tissues of the throat and upper esophagus are severely churned, twisted and contorted in unnatural ways, pinched, scratched and brushed, generating pain and discomfort of levels that I never knew existed before.

                                                                              2) Suffocation with silicone fibers delivered via a remote individualized chemtrail. The particles are deliberately targeted at the nostrils for chronic inhalation where they saturate the lungs and accummulate in the throat. It is this resevoir of devices in the throat that is then used to implement visceral throat and esophageal torture. The rest, generate a sense of perpetual suffocation as they are inhaled, the degree of which depends on the chemtrail load. At its most intense, it simulates a drowning or suffocation sensation. Particle-boarding.

                                                                              3) Remote manipulation of body mechanisms for voluntary control of the bladder sphincter muscle so that it fails to respond to conscious control. This was implemented three times following efforts to seek help. Otherwise my urinary system is perfectly functional.

                                                                              Two days after the March 1 (following Bioethics hearing), at least 10 aerial hovered up above, awaiting our car to drive home where they promptly followed. I have committed no crimes in this country. I do not even have a driver’s violation. I have not been accused of any crime. I have no acquaintances or friends who have committed crimes. Is there anyone out there listening? Will anyone help?

                                                                               
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                                                                              • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  JenniferLAyres

                                                                                Here is a copy of a letter I faxed to the Commission:
                                                                                Copy of Letter I faxed to you that I hope can be posted so that a serious discussion/investigation can be started:

                                                                                To Whom it May Concern,

                                                                                During the meeting from February 1, 2011 through March 1, 2011, many guest speakers brought to the Commission’s attention that they are being targeted now in what they perceive to be non-consensual experimentation by the government. I know that a lot of what these citizens are saying is true because I too am being targeted and experience some of the same things. I am asking that you re-direct this commission to investigate the human rights abuses that are occuring right now in our day and age or otherwise act on the behalf of all the innocent people in the world that are now suffering because of some targeting program that seems to have been created within the United States of America. I have read testimonials from targeted individuals who claim that their targeting started when they tried to do the right thing, i.e. whistleblow to remove corruption, report child abuse, etc. If this program was originally designed for defense, I can assure you that if this is investigated, you will find that the program itself is corrupt and therefore undermining our reputation in the world and here at home. If this program is being run by our FBI, CIA, or other agency, I believe it to be psychologically damaging to the government employees as well. I do not believe that anyone’s job description should entail torturing and/or experimenting on their fellow citizens. In the end, we will all be victims of this: the government employees, civilian citizenry used in harrassment campaigns, and the targeted individuals themselves. I am also writing about this to the President of the United States, Barack Obama, and asking him to act regarding this situation. I will be providing a list of self-proclaimed targeted individuals to him and ask that you consult with his office to begin an investigation into this matter as soon as possible.

                                                                                Thank you for your time,

                                                                                Jennifer L. Ayres

                                                                                March 7, 2011 07:33:18 PM

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                                                                                • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  JenniferLAyres

                                                                                  Here is a copy of a letter I faxed to President Obama:
                                                                                  Dear Mr. President,

                                                                                  On November 24, 2011, your office called for a Presidential Commission on Bioethics to review protections for human research subjects due to the discovery that the U.S. Public Health Service conducted unethical research in the past. The Commission met in Washington, D.C. from February 28, 2011 through March 1, 2011 to discuss ethical issues concerning genetics and neuroimaging testing and the protection of human subjects in this testing. During the meeting, many guest speakers brought to the Commission’s attention that they are being targeted now in what they perceive to be non-consensual experimentation by the government. I know that a lot of what these citizens are saying is true because I too am being targeted and experience some of the same things. I am asking that you re-direct the Commission to investigate the human rights abuses that are occurring right now in our day and age or otherwise act on the behalf of all the innocent people in the world that are now suffering because of some targeting program that seems to have been created within the United States of America. I have read testimonials from targeted individuals who claim that their targeting started when they tried to do the right thing, i.e. whistleblow to remove corruption, report child abuse, etc. If this program was originally designed for defense, I can assure you that if this is investigated, you will find that the program itself is corrupt and therefore undermining our reputation in the world and here at home. If this program is being run by our FBI, CIA, or other agency, I believe it to be psychologically damaging to the government employees as well. I do not believe that anyone’s job description should entail torturing and/or experimenting on their fellow citizens. In the end, we will all be victims of this: the government employees, civilian citizenry used in harassment campaigns, and the targeted individuals themselves. In the pages that follow, I will include a list of self-proclaimed targeted individuals from around the world that need your assistance. I obtained the list online during my research of this issue. It was posted at www.freedrive.com/folder/177784 by John Finch, another self-proclaimed targeted individual. This list of individuals should give you plenty of people to start an investigation with.

                                                                                  Thank you for your time,

                                                                                  Jennifer L. Ayres

                                                                                  March 7, 2011 07:38:24 PM

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                                                                                    This letter is good, but watered down in the sense that it’s not assertive. Aren’t you friggin angry???!! We want a commission that will exclusively investigate the torture of American citizens. We want to be compensated for having lost our lives and those of our loved ones.

                                                                                     
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                                                                                    On Thurs., tomorrow, the Obamas are hosting an Anti-bullying conference. You can register to attend.
                                                                                    http://www.examiner.com/us-headlines-in-national/white-house-to-host-anti-bullying-conference-on-thursday-video Be there, or be square.

                                                                                     
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                                                                                      OK, trhis commission has heard from 20 citizens, two of which represented an organization with a membership of 800 TI’s. When are we going to hear from them. Do they think we can endure this abuse another minute. We are going to charge them for every friggin’ minute after March 1st that they did NOTHING + all the millions of hours people have been used for their insane eugenics experimentation.

                                                                                       
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                                                                                      • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Tamborine

                                                                                        I agree D. I want compensation too. I can not believe the hell they’ve put me and my children through over the last 6 years, and me over a life time. How dare anybody make a slave of another human being. We have an animal protective league, last time I checked humans are animals too, that is why I was disturbed by the speaker at the commission who said there needs to be a discussion on redefining freedom and equality. I haven’t been treated like an equal by this country, I’ve been treated like a slave or an enemy, it’s pitiful.

                                                                                        March 17, 2011 11:03:43 PM

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                                                                                        • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Magnus Olsson

                                                                                          Not yet published research materials in interdisciplinary brain research and development of computer-brain interface must therefore be attributed to an unknown number of defenseless experimental subjects, many with families whose lives are destroyed in a wild orgy of computer abuse. This is to copy the cognitive behaviors and human perception in the development of quantum physics. Try The items have no options or informed consent, served as on-line research materials on aging.
                                                                                          Our Mission: Will humans have a free will in the future? MINDTECH Sweden, EUROPE has been established to create an awareness of nanotechnology and disadvantages of human-machine integration, and the great race between computer companies for reverse engineering (mind uploading) of the human brain.

                                                                                          Read www.mindcontrol.se // Magnus Olsson SWEDEN

                                                                                           
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                                                                                          • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Roxanne

                                                                                            This is definitely a bioethic issue. I’m thinking a lot of mind reading could be thought-planting and then, to terrorize me, telling me what I thought that “I” thought. Either way it terrifies me. Who knows how much of me is me? Taking control over other people (and torturing/defaming people to do it) is an immensely important issue. No wonder they try to look like something else more trivial and personal. We’re not in Kansas anymore.

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                                                                                            • Re: mind reading or something else  jeremy

                                                                                              Right, that’s why I’m treating surveillance as a more advanced topic than electronic harassment, even though I think it’s typical for the surveillance to be introduced to the TI before electronic harassment of other kinds is made obvious. Surveillance is only discovered indirectly, through the target’s observations of how his environment reacts to his private actions, and those observations might have been arranged to be misleading. So this topic of surveillance methods is something I have to build up to.

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                                                                                              • Re: mind reading or something else  Roxanne

                                                                                                You’re saying you think surveillance has more to do with mind-control than we thought?

                                                                                                March 29, 2011 04:35:34 PM

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                                                                                                • Re: mind reading or something else  jeremy

                                                                                                  I’m saying this possibility has to be considered. When the intelligentsia finally start paying attention to sites like this one, they’re naturally going to ask how we know what we know. We have to be able to explain these things.

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                                                                                            • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  D. for Citizens That Know

                                                                                              Is ‘surveillance’ more serious than ‘mind control’ because our thoughts are being read? That would precede having them controlled.

                                                                                               
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                                                                                              • which comes first, mind reading or mind control  jeremy

                                                                                                Delgado’s mind control experiments from decades ago were conducted by people who clearly did not have the capability of decoding brain activity. The very earliest experiment in nervous system control (that we know of) was conducted more than 200 years ago (frog leg stimulation) with very primitive instruments.

                                                                                                So mind control technology is, in a sense, less advanced than the surveillance TI’s are talking about.

                                                                                                But as I’m fond of saying, to control something, you have to watch it. Targeting couldn’t work without surveillance.

                                                                                                March 30, 2011 04:10:38 PM

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                                                                                                • Re: which comes first, mind reading or mind control  Roxanne

                                                                                                  I think you’re saying they’re surveiling us by using our own brains and others’ around us; as well as controlling us (“human-machine integration” like Magnus Olsson was saying). And that is a good point.

                                                                                                  March 31, 2011 07:09:13 AM

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                                                                                                  • Re: which comes first, mind reading or mind control  Roxanne

                                                                                                    I haven’t watched the whole Bioethics meeting yet (just the TI’s) did anyone mention issues of human-computer integration?

                                                                                                    March 31, 2011 07:16:35 AM

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                                                                                              • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  D. for Citizens That Know

                                                                                                I just saw this Dr. Nick Begich video. It is very informative for TI’s who don’t understand what the progression of mind control experimentation has been. This embed code, may not work on this wordpress platform .

                                                                                                or put this into your browser window http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4381134473144071630#

                                                                                                 
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                                                                                                • Re: Nick Begich  jeremy

                                                                                                  I advise proceeding with caution when reviewing any material from Mr. Begich. His PhD is in traditional medicine, not the physical sciences. I’ve reviewed the book that this video is based on and while he reproduces many facts accurately (I haven’t had a chance to verify all his references), the book as a whole is misleading. And I’ve heard commentary from TI’s indicating that they are reading stuff into his book that isn’t there.

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                                                                                                  • Re: Nick Begich  DAN

                                                                                                    My response from data about Nick Begich from his books I have and listening to him on radio many times here is that his info is gotten from public published information making his data to what heavily targeted TI’s should know lags around 50 years. When data becomes public about kinds of weapons, best believe it is taken as far as it can go already. SR71 spy plane was 40 years old before it became public. I would assume while this plane was in operation defence spending was still being fronted on building it while the money was realy being spent on another project. But that’s my asumption. From the old days hearing allen wrench sets cost 800 dollars on the news.

                                                                                                     
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                                                                                                  Thanks for the reality check, Jeremy. I haven’t had a chance to see the whole video yet. I only can access the internet in public settings, and they are either too noisy to hear or quiet -libraries- where I can’t use the audio.

                                                                                                  I saw the part about the different Hrz being used simultaneously in either ear causing the thought activity to become centered in the middle of the brain. Begich was talking about using the technology for biofeedback and described this as a positive use. That’s when I began to question the value of his knowledge. It is unnatural and dangerous to manipulate the brain to serve certain or any purposes. Especially the brains of children!

                                                                                                  We are NATURE. PERIOD! Our brains and all our body functions are meant to be used to navigate and know our environment and establish our sense of place. Children should be raised to be connected with nature. That is the true ‘bio’ ‘feedback’. Since we, as beings on this earth, no longer educate our children this way, we have become a psychologically disordered society.

                                                                                                  I imagine that Begich’s video is relevant, though, to know what the technology is and how it is intended to be used. At least, what THEY tell us, or we have gleaned. But, your feedback about his references would be appreciated.

                                                                                                   
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                                                                                                  • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  D. for Citizens That Know

                                                                                                    Sharing this link to a discussion- ‘Read your mind? Not in a million light years’
                                                                                                    Written by John Donnelly on February 28, 2011 on the Bioethics Website, in case you’re not aware of it.

                                                                                                    http://blog.bioethics.gov/2011/02/28/read-your-mind-not-in-a-%E2%80%98million-light-years%E2%80%99/

                                                                                                     
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                                                                                                    • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  robt

                                                                                                      My experience has been real, with vicious non lethal RF assaults. Happened that a postal inspector moved into the house behind me, and thats when the RF began. Very intense. over 100 mw per cm2. Destroyed elec equip, caused me the have bloody diareah for almost a year, eye probs, and my balls ascended into my abdomen. The assaults came from two locations on Grape Arbor Ct, homes or John Kaspar (drug dealer perhaps compromised) and hired perp of the Postal Inspection service of Ft. Worth, Jeffry Salamone. He has a criminal record re: firearms. Allegedly a security guy who works nights. So the bastard came into my home during the day destroying appliances and planting a bag of marijuana. Stole computer memory and software. City of Keller, Tx. would not do a damn thing. They
                                                                                                      are working with the Postal Inspectors. Corrupt local police force.

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                                                                                                      • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  JenniferLAyres

                                                                                                        Letter to President Obama faxed 4-7-11:

                                                                                                        President Barack Obama
                                                                                                        1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
                                                                                                        Washington, DC 20500
                                                                                                        Fax: 202-456-2461

                                                                                                        Jennifer L. Ayres
                                                                                                        1100 Howe Avenue, Apt. 417
                                                                                                        Sacramento, CA 95825
                                                                                                        [email protected]

                                                                                                        Dear Mr. President,

                                                                                                        On March 3, 2011, I wrote to you about the guest speakers at the Presidential Commission for the Study of Bioethical Issues and the people around the world who are reporting being targeted in what they perceive to be non-consensual human experimentation by the government. I also cc’d you on a letter that I wrote to the Presidential Commission for the Study of Bioethical Issues. As of today, I have not received any response to my letters. I want to let you know that I feel I am still being targeted and am suffering job-related consequences that I feel are a direct result of the targeting. I have being investigating the reports of other self-proclaimed Targeted Individuals and there are reports of some of them having committed suicide. That is how serious this problem is. The Targeted Individuals are still reporting being targeted too so I hope that something will be done soon to stop the targeting in order to prevent the loss of more human lives. It may be presumptuous of me to assume that you are aware of what government agency is committing these human rights violations, but I’ll assume this since I have not received a response to either of my letters which implies complicity. All I am asking is that the targeting of myself and others be stopped at this time because I believe all of us to be innocent victims for if we were not or are not innocent, then we should be charged with a crime and given a fair trial in a court of law. You may investigate these occurrences hands-on if you like by Googling Targeted Individuals or searching for Targeted Individuals in Facebook. There are many websites, pages, and groups that are coming together regarding the same type of targeting and harassment that I have experienced. I believe some of the technology and/or techniques used in the targeting are also the cause of the migraine headaches that I have been suffering from for years now. I have read about some people being targeted for twenty to thirty years. These reports and the technology I have been exposed to are what lead me to believe that non-consensual human experimentation is also involved. As I stated in my previous letter to you, I believe that we are all being psychologically damaged by this: the government employees, civilian citizenry used in harassment campaigns, and the targeted individuals themselves. Please do the right thing and have this program investigated and/or act to stop the targeting of innocent citizens here and abroad as soon as possible.

                                                                                                        Thank you for your time,

                                                                                                        Jennifer L. Ayres

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                                                                                                        • Re: Bioethics commission reviews nonconsensual experiments from  Roxanne

                                                                                                          All these new technologies and we’re still the same old people with the same old problems: self-preservation, selfishness, guilt, not enough responsibility or caring or even understanding. We lock our doors to “keep the honest people honest”. Even the members of the commission joke around about whose technology will be the end of western civilization.

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                                                                                                        Posted by jeremy on May 19, 2011 11:21 am.



                                                                                                        I’ve dissected several phrases that have framed targeting in misleading ways in the past, in “Targeting terminology”. I’ll continue to update that word list as I learn more about targeting.

                                                                                                        The terminology that no TI seems to question - that’s the basis for the name of this web site - might be the most misleading of all.

                                                                                                        Seductive, but wrong

                                                                                                        The phrase “targeted individual” seems like a very good fit when you’re several months into "the program", because it looks like the whole world is out to get you. It’s a seductive phrase; it changes your world view. You naturally gravitate to incredible explanations for why you, of all people, were “targeted”.

                                                                                                        The real explanation might be much less flattering; it might be that your life was thrown away to advance a psychological operation, because you happened to be in a position where you couldn’t defend yourself.

                                                                                                        The truth is rarely as pleasant as a good lie.

                                                                                                        Rooted in a fallacy

                                                                                                        The phrase targeted individual begs the question: “why you?”

                                                                                                        This is the question that every regular on my site has grappled with. It’s the question that’s naturally asked of them when they try to explain their experiences.

                                                                                                        Many of us are aware we’ve been sent on multi-year wild goose chases, having been presented with convincing patsies - like a neighbor with connections, or another party in a financial deal gone sour - or with scapegoats, like satanic cults or criminal gangs.

                                                                                                        There are some TI’s who really have to be kept down, for one reason or another; I’ll get to that issue in a minute. But a solid majority of targets, having passed through the initial smoke screens, are aware that it doesn’t seem like there’s a good reason to go after them.

                                                                                                        A different way of looking at the situation

                                                                                                        The TI’s who are aware they’re targeted are managed as a group. Their effectiveness in a group is subverted by their very own actions - by the one-sided deals they make with their handlers to get some relief. Those deals, taken all together, add up to a conspiracy.

                                                                                                        Individual players can’t see the conspiracy, but we can all see the effects. The effects of this conspiracy are to make anyone trying to expose electronic mind control black operations look ridiculous. Chances are, that’s the purpose of the conspiracy.

                                                                                                        Several regulars on my web site are aware that there’s nothing experimental about mind control technology; it’s being used against many people, not just the ones who are aware of it. Human experimentation is a cover story, but it might not be the true goal.

                                                                                                        Maybe it never was about you.

                                                                                                        Your role as an intelligence agency asset

                                                                                                        There are certain kinds of jobs that nobody in their right mind would agree to do. For those jobs, there are other motivators: the tools of coercion and deception we’ve become familiar with.

                                                                                                        Some people associated with the community of TI’s have been pack mules for intelligence agencies for most of their lives. They may have multiple personalities, special skills or talents, or other unique qualities that make them valuable.

                                                                                                        The rest of us have other uses.

                                                                                                        Your job, if you should choose to accept it, is to spread disinformation about black operations. There are many possible cover stories you can help out with. The one that’s the best fit for your background will be chosen for you:

                                                                                                        • Enormous networks of Satanic cults;
                                                                                                        • UFO’s and extraterrestrials;
                                                                                                        • Vast, networked gangs of vigilantes, exacting justice on individuals they’ve singled out by dispatching teams to move a carpet six inches, for example;
                                                                                                        • Directed energy weapons that pass through all obstacles without leaving a trace behind - yet still have a devastating effect on human flesh. Remember, you don’t have to take measurements or see anything happening to prove you’re being attacked with energy weapons. Just getting confirmation from other assets on the conference calls should be good enough;
                                                                                                        • Closely related to the previous campaign, new physics;
                                                                                                        • Anything except implants;
                                                                                                        • Helping to portray anyone who talks about the real underlying issues as mentally ill or deluded.

                                                                                                        In your role as an asset, you have to be stripped of all your resources, so you have very little choice except to go along with the program. This will help out with other motivators later; after you’ve stopped fearing the agency, it can appeal to your greed.

                                                                                                        The job will last as long as you’re willing to work at it.

                                                                                                        When can you start?


                                                                                                        1. Re: Is 'targeted individual' misleading terminology?  D. for Citizens That Know

                                                                                                          Quote Jeremy : ‘Several regulars on my web site are aware that there’s nothing experimental about mind control technology; it’s being used against many people, not just the ones who are aware of it. Human experimentation is a cover story, but it might not be the true goal.’

                                                                                                          I believe that many TC’s (Targeted Citizens) have been used in experiments. Are they ‘clinical trials’ as is the focus of the Bioethics Comm.’s discussion? Based on my own experiences, I feel that I, and probably many others, have been used to develop and test methods and technology by an agency who uses Cointelpro tactics. Also, as a tool or pawn to test or experiment on how to implement the programs.

                                                                                                          http://appliedclinicaltrialsonline.findpharma.com/appliedclinicaltrials/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=283029

                                                                                                          http://appliedclinicaltrialsonline.findpharma.com/TrialDesign

                                                                                                           
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                                                                                                          • Re: Is 'targeted individual' misleading terminology?  JackOrr

                                                                                                            There are probably thousands of targets who do not know they are being messed with, my brother in law just happened to get sick 2 separate days when they knew I was filing my lawsuit. They knew he was filing the paper work.

                                                                                                            There are some targets who Im sure are being attacked at low levels for years to get them sick later. Those people have no idea whats going on.

                                                                                                             
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                                                                                                            • Re: Is 'targeted individual' misleading terminology?  Justin

                                                                                                              I don’t think “targeted individual” is technically incorrect, but the term is admittedly not the best way to present ourselves to the outside world. I welcome any alternative suggestions.

                                                                                                              (By the way, links to the wayback machine aren’t working for me. Connections get bogged down or reset as if the wayback machine is seriously overloaded. Maybe it is, for all I know.)

                                                                                                              It isn’t obvious why certain individuals are targeted. If “[our] life was thrown away to advance a psychological operation,” we must have been getting in the way of that psyop somehow. What kind of psyop are you envisioning, who’s behind it, who are the real targets, and what is this psyop trying to accomplish?

                                                                                                              What of the idea of “vast, networked gangs of vigilantes”? This may or may not be accurate, depending on how you interpret it.

                                                                                                              I do agree that there is a lot of disinfo floating around, but the fact remains that we are targeted year after year at considerable expense on somebody’s part. Could greed for power, not necessarily money, play a part in perps’ motivation?

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                                                                                                              • Re: Is 'targeted individual' misleading terminology?  jeremy

                                                                                                                we must have been getting in the way of that psyop somehow.

                                                                                                                I don’t see that at all.

                                                                                                                What kind of psyop are you envisioning, who’s behind it, who are the real targets, and what is this psyop trying to accomplish?

                                                                                                                All you have to do is look at other targets’ web sites (for the most part, I leave those sorts of sites off my list of sites, but sites on my list might link to them), and drop by the conference calls. Then look at the public’s reaction (see: “A list of resources used to ridicule targets”), as well as what newspapers have written about TI’s. The psy-op is right in front of your face.

                                                                                                                We’re being used to create straw men which can be demolished by eager skeptics, to get people to ignore the truth behind these operations.

                                                                                                                Also, the tech is being used in other ways, to create credible witnesses and insiders for intelligence agency disinformation. See: “CIA-sponsored disinformation campaigns related to targeting”.

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                                                                                                                • Re: Is 'targeted individual' misleading terminology?  Justin

                                                                                                                  we must have been getting in the way of that psyop somehow.

                                                                                                                  I don’t see that at all.

                                                                                                                  Then why don’t the perpetrators of this psyop just save their time and money by leaving us alone? Or are they in a position to appropriate public money for this purpose? Even so, why expend the effort?

                                                                                                                  Point taken about the strawman/credible-witness disinfo.

                                                                                                                  You’ve criticized manpower-intensive theories of gangstalking. Do you have an educated guess or opinion of just how much manpower is involved?

                                                                                                                  How organized are the perps (for want of a better word)? I have a feeling that they started out as various factions targeting various individuals for various reasons, and over time, these factions started to collude, merge, and develop a more unified agenda. This may have reduced the amount of manpower required.

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                                                                                                                  • Re: Is 'targeted individual' misleading terminology?  jeremy

                                                                                                                    …why don’t the perpetrators of this psyop just save their time and money by leaving us alone? Or are they in a position to appropriate public money for this purpose?

                                                                                                                    Anyone who’s been through the entire program knows that regardless of what tricks are used to disguise the origins of the funding, it ultimately comes from the State.

                                                                                                                    Even so, why expend the effort…

                                                                                                                    Point taken about the strawman/credible-witness disinfo.

                                                                                                                    That’s the reason for expending the effort. Throwing away a few hundred people is a good price to pay for covering up black operations of an enormous scope.

                                                                                                                    You’ve criticized manpower-intensive theories of gangstalking. Do you have an educated guess or opinion of just how much manpower is involved?

                                                                                                                    As I’ve said, I can’t tell you where your problems are coming from - and neither can you, without a lot of perspective. (See: “Only time, and travel, will tell”.) It might look very different to you after you’ve moved a few times or have gotten better at fending off their tactics.

                                                                                                                    I’ve already explained where I think most of the manpower is coming from. But you’re not going to be able to see that unless or until you’re allowed to see it, just like everything else about your ordeal. You only learn you’re under surveillance because they let you know - and so on.

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                                                                                                                  • Re: Is 'targeted individual' misleading terminology?  leaflet8410

                                                                                                                    Jeremy, if you are referring to my tumblr…I just linked it so I could network with other targets. It wasn’t meant to be a stand-alone site disseminating information. If I appear ridiculous it’s because in my real life I write comedy.

                                                                                                                    I have perfectly legitimate reasons for being targeted that have nothing to do with UFOs or the occult. My interest in space (astronomy) or occult subjects are purely mental gymnastics (hobbies) on my part. Before I was aware that gang stalking/electronic harassment was a “thing,” I did couch my suspicions in the paranormal because there was no other frame of reference.

                                                                                                                    As far as the other sites are concerned, yours has been the most rational I’ve seen and that’s why I was drawn to it. If you weren’t referring to my tumblr, someone will.

                                                                                                                    May 21, 2011 04:53:20 AM

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                                                                                                                    • not talking about you  jeremy

                                                                                                                      I wasn’t talking about any of my regulars’ web sites. I’m talking about certain other web sites. I refuse to legitimize them by naming them, but you’ll find them if you look around enough.

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                                                                                                                      • Re: not talking about you  leaflet8410

                                                                                                                        Thanks for that. I’m kind of sensitive right now.

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                                                                                                                • Re: Is 'targeted individual' misleading terminology?  JenniferLAyres

                                                                                                                  I think the term “Targeted Individual” is appropriate because it can and does encompass all reasons for being targeted. We are clearly being targeted for one reason or another. I also think to change the term at this point would be counterproductive and hurtful to the TI community who have seemed to come to accept this label for what is being done to us. It appears obvious to me that the technology that has been used on us is in an experimental stage where the operators are not even aware of it’s safety or side-affects. I can accept the fact that there may be a reason that some people are targeted to protect other interests. What I can not accept is the way that the government has chosen to influence people which amounts to torture and human experimentation. Cointelpro was not acceptable once it was exposed and neither will this program be if it is ever exposed.

                                                                                                                  May 20, 2011 03:24:29 AM

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                                                                                                                  • Re: Is 'targeted individual' misleading terminology?  anon

                                                                                                                    There are some TI’s who really have to be kept down, for one reason or another; I’ll get to that issue in a minute. But a solid majority of targets, having passed through the initial smoke screens, are aware that it doesn’t seem like there’s a good reason to go after them.

                                                                                                                    Perhaps I missed where you on this elaborated further within the above post.

                                                                                                                    Kept down how? By whom? Why?

                                                                                                                    If the reason was not explicitly stated, is the subsequent section (about usefulness in spreading disinfo) the reason? Are misinformed or speculating TIs the ones that need to be kept down? And are you saying that other TIs are to have a role in performing such a function?

                                                                                                                    Not clear -

                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                    May 20, 2011 07:40:40 AM

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                                                                                                                    • Re: Is 'targeted individual' misleading terminology?  jeremy

                                                                                                                      Perhaps I missed where you on this elaborated further within the above post.

                                                                                                                      Kept down how? By whom? Why?

                                                                                                                      I went on to talk about “intelligence agency pack mules” and added, “…you have to be stripped of all your resources, so you have very little choice except to go along with the program”. But if it’s not clear, then I have to reword it.

                                                                                                                      If the reason was not explicitly stated, is the subsequent section (about usefulness in spreading disinfo) the reason? Are misinformed or speculating TIs the ones that need to be kept down? And are you saying that other TIs are to have a role in performing such a function?

                                                                                                                      See above. I think it’s really the TI’s who are targeted “for no reason” who are used against individuals for whom there is a good reason.

                                                                                                                      I think I’ve got something here, but I have to work on the article to make it more clear.

                                                                                                                      BTW, I talked to a journalist yesterday who “gets it” and is going to be putting out an article based on what I and a few others explained to him. He does see, like I do, this common thread running through all the stories about alien abductions, and satanic cults, and mind control victim stories - he sees the cover up and smoke screen.

                                                                                                                      May 20, 2011 07:55:37 AM

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                                                                                                                      • Re: Is 'targeted individual' misleading terminology?  anon

                                                                                                                        BTW, I talked to a journalist yesterday who “gets it” and is going to be putting out an article based on what I and a few others explained to him. He does see, like I do, this common thread running through all the stories about alien abductions, and satanic cults, and mind control victim stories - he sees the cover up and smoke screen.

                                                                                                                        Ok, I think I get where you were heading.

                                                                                                                        Yes, the disinfo cover stories are an effective smokescreen for actual purposes.

                                                                                                                        See above. I think it’s really the TI’s who are targeted “for no reason” who are used against individuals for whom there is a good reason.

                                                                                                                        This is where we need to elaborate more. Might help more ppl understand the big picture. People learn by example, so a few examples of how you see this playing out would be great.

                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                        May 20, 2011 08:12:03 AM

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                                                                                                                        • Re: Is 'targeted individual' misleading terminology?  rawn

                                                                                                                          I have to admit I when I first received the newsletter the whole concept shocked me : being in the crosshairs and Targeted.. yikes!

                                                                                                                          True, I’m only a few months old in this discovery process but the terms suggested violence that didn’t sit right with me

                                                                                                                          No I’m not suggesting changing the terms and icon.. Its like Jennifer says…your trademark…at this point go with it.

                                                                                                                          Jeremy you have a great site that has helped the doubting side of me that so objected to all this unbelievable technology

                                                                                                                          I’m just glad I didn’t suffer for more than 5 yrs not knowing what’s up with all the “craziness” showing up in my life all of sudden.

                                                                                                                          I can hardly stand the C calls that breed so much negative criticism, although a good place for observing group thought for the big picture.

                                                                                                                          What really puzzles me is if they don’t want you to know whats going on why give you any clues at all?

                                                                                                                          I found out due to a local radio program that aired a “special” 1 hour recording of Dr. John Hall speaking. Now am I to suspect this was planned just for me?

                                                                                                                          I would never suspect that because of what Dr. hall was saying even though No other known TI’s around here for many many miles that I know of.

                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                          May 20, 2011 10:00:19 AM

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                                                                                                                          • Re: Is 'targeted individual' misleading terminology?  BetterBelieve

                                                                                                                            “I think it’s really the TI’s who are targeted “for no reason” who are used against individuals for whom there is a good reason.”

                                                                                                                            And what are the “good reasons” that individuals are targeted?

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                                                                                                                            • Re: Is 'targeted individual' misleading terminology?  jeremy

                                                                                                                              And what are the “good reasons” that individuals are targeted?

                                                                                                                              I’m talking about “good” for them, not for the targets.

                                                                                                                              May 21, 2011 04:33:19 AM

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                                                                                                                        • RE: Experiment or not? That is the Qn  anon

                                                                                                                          Several regulars on my web site are aware that there’s nothing experimental about mind control technology; it’s being used against many people, not just the ones who are aware of it. Human experimentation is a cover story, but it might not be the true goal.

                                                                                                                          Agreed it is a dicey issue.

                                                                                                                          I’ve mentioned before that if this program/marathon is an experiment, it lacks several of the hallmarks of traditionally designed and conducted experiments, esp. with regard to: informed consent, being able to opt out, being informed of the risks and/or benefits of “participating,” knowing who the researchers are, knowing where the funding is coming from, or ever being debriefed after the study is “over.”

                                                                                                                          That being said, much of the above can be attributed to the non-consensual dimension of the research, and there are two ways NCHSE can occur: 1) Informed Consent gained through Surrogacy or 2) DHHS or FDA provides a Waiver of Consent to the researcher.

                                                                                                                          1) Surrogacy. An appointee provides informed consent on behalf of the person to be “enrolled” in the study. At the Comm hearing, an MD from Cornell, necessarily uses surrogacy to get permission to provide the medical intervention of Deep Brain Stimulation (DBS) to hospitalized patients who are either in a vegetative state or minimally conscious. The ethical argument for surrogacy in this situation passes muster because: a) the patient’s medical diagnosis precludes the patient’s ability to give consent, and b) the medical intervention has the chance of bringing said patient back into the realm of consciousness, whereby he or she would regain the advantage of being able to advocate for him or herself.

                                                                                                                          But that brings us to the whole issue of credentialing, whereby a dubious diagnostic process is implemented to cast the potential subject as unable to advocate on their own behalf, thus permitting surrogacy to suffice in lieu of the subject’s own informed consent.

                                                                                                                          2) Waivers of Consent. Researchers are allowed to conduct research without obtaining any consent whatsoever (from Subject or Surrogate). The caveat for such research include that: a) no more than minimal risk or discomfort will be experienced by the subject, b) the greater Public Good is served, and/or c) the research cannot be conducted any other way, because the outcome would be jeopardized if the subject were aware of his/her inclusion.

                                                                                                                          Human experimentation is a cover story, but it might not be the true goal.

                                                                                                                          Yes and no. If surrogacy or waiver of consent is at issue (and it is my opinion that it is), the program or marathon is likely a DHHS-approved Behavior Modification program (at least for some TIs - the issue of weapons testing may be a separate issue, although subjects may all be dumped into one “pool” to be used for multiple experiments. And if it’s Behavior Mod, I don’t see how we can get around the issue that it *does* have something to do with who we are.

                                                                                                                          The rouse is that there is anything about our behavior, per se, that needs to be modified. The reality is that the experiment’s individual and collective effects are to neutralize people (physical health, financial solvency, employability, housing, etc.)

                                                                                                                          Bottom line: DHHS might have approved a behavior mod program, having themselves been deceived as to the real goals of the research. The fact that the program/marathon has multiple components (possible brain-mapping, AI), indicates that multiple parties would be interested in the “outcomes” of the effectiveness of using various electronic technologies to redirect and/or shape human behavior.

                                                                                                                           
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                                                                                                                          • RE: Experiment or not? That is the Qn  lkjohnson

                                                                                                                            Behavior modification efforts can be seen,with the people who attended the Bioethics Commission meeting in New York, who reported sleep deprivation, and heavy attack. This was done to reduce their ability to communicate effectively, and appear credable. The fact that targets are reduced to zero, financially and professionally, supports my belief this is used as a revenge service.So many TI’s want to know how they got on the list-Something Ted Gunderson could enlighten us on,if he will only release more information.

                                                                                                                            May 20, 2011 01:15:32 PM

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                                                                                                                            • RE: Experiment or not? That is the Qn  D. for Citizens That Know

                                                                                                                              I didn’t speak, though a target, but had full intention of going to the hearing. Was targeted and sleep deprived in an attempt to keep me from following through. THEIR doing this makes it obvious that my intentions were well known, probably by viewing my internet posts.

                                                                                                                              But, I disagree that these programs are exclusively about revenge, if that’s what you’re saying. Certainly they can be used that way, and have been, I’m sure. THEY certainly want targets to think they have ‘earned’ the treatment and are in some way playing into it. But, for the most part, people, IMO, have been selected to be treated this way because they are ‘easy targets’ and the methods and technology that Cointelpro pathologically needs to create (Hey, they make plenty of $$$ for development, sales, implementation, etc.) can be tested on them with little chance of repercussion.

                                                                                                                              As a target, I know it’s not happening in response to me personally. In my case, and in the case of many others, it started very early in life. Anyhoo… I think it mostly happens because it is lucrative for many people, as indicated above, and it also fulfills an unhealthy need to dominate, prey upon, and control others. In other words, as far as I’m concerned, it’s a mental health issue, on the part of the perps, that manifests as greed and uncontrollable need to invade other people’s boundaries and rights.

                                                                                                                               
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                                                                                                                            • RE: Experiment or not? That is the Qn  Annie

                                                                                                                              Anon, I agree on everything you say here. Its most likely that this could be a behaviour modification program, and it would then also explain the extreme torture. I have had a hard time understand that part, as I can understand the exprimentation or research part, (even if of course not ever accept it, when not consent) But the cruelty of the torture is a bit mysterious. Also it could be a mix of all the things you mentioned and they take benefit from the torture for the psyche part. I also agree it could have something to do with “who we are”, and then I mean personalities, I have seen a “pattern” among for instance swedish victims, but I do not think thats enough, it also has to be other parts that fits, such as medical history, family history (illnesses etc.)and so on, for being picked.

                                                                                                                               
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                                                                                                                              • RE: Experiment or not? That is the Qn  lkjohnson

                                                                                                                                I do think the people doing this have a type of personality, that enjoys having power and control of an individual. Family history plays a role, as my father was targeted,as was his mother. The reason that I have felt there was a revenge aspect to this, as a lot of people in this state, got a divorce and were targeted during this time.That could be disinformation, so the wrong person is blamed. It is hard to say how people get picked for a program of this nature, which is a violation of civil rights, and pure torture.

                                                                                                                                May 22, 2011 02:33:48 PM

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                                                                                                                                • RE: Experiment or not? That is the Qn  D. for Citizens That Know

                                                                                                                                  I do think the people doing this have a type of personality, that enjoys having power and control of an individual.

                                                                                                                                  Stepping back from this, emotionally, realize that no one with a healthy mind would have need to do this or use whatever technology is derived from it. All of this activity, IMO, stems from the psychological need of an individual with a disordered psyche. They are working out their own issues, by treating others in these heinous ways. My view is that it is ‘Narcissistic Personality Disorder’.
                                                                                                                                  http://forum2.aimoo.com/NARCISSISTICPERSONALITYDISORDER

                                                                                                                                  …That could be disinformation, so the wrong person is blamed.

                                                                                                                                  It is an MO of a disordered person like the NPD, to twist info, so that it favors them and deflects the negativity away from them. They will use this to advantage and incorporate it as a strategy to legitimize it. It would be a huge change, and shift in perspective, when everyone else realizes that the NPD does this pathologically and not with objectivity and control of their actions. This is not to say that they don’t excel at behaving this way, disordered as it is.

                                                                                                                                   
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                                                                                                                                  • Creating an account  jeremy

                                                                                                                                    Hi D,

                                                                                                                                    Would you mind creating an account so I can link all your comments to it? Otherwise I’m afraid I’m going to have to start dropping the moderation hammer because of the NPD stuff.

                                                                                                                                    I want readers to be able to see the biases or agendas of commenters clearly. Unregistered commenters who use my site to advance a single point of view are a problem. It looks manipulative, no matter how benign the commenter’s intentions are.

                                                                                                                                    I’m not accusing you of anything, but I have to draw a line somewhere.

                                                                                                                                    Let this citizen know.


                                                                                                                                    (Plus, there are benefits, like having a link to your site one click away from every comment you make.)

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                                                                                                                            • Re: Is 'targeted individual' misleading terminology?  derek

                                                                                                                              Schizophrenia as an issue of itself is what i think sums up the basis of this whole site.

                                                                                                                              I like targeted individual because it gives an alternative to the masochistic and just plain wrong term of ‘schizophrenia’

                                                                                                                              Specifically, what is technologically induced voice hallucination technology

                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              May 20, 2011 10:33:56 PM

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                                                                                                                              • Re: Is 'targeted individual' misleading terminology?  jeremy

                                                                                                                                He’s probably talking about concerns that were articulated in greater detail in this AYT forum thread about the public comments session.

                                                                                                                                May 21, 2011 04:56:27 AM

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                                                                                                                              • Re: Is 'targeted individual' misleading terminology?  johninSD

                                                                                                                                It has in a few instances become silly when it seems people would like to reinvent terminology long accepted by the community and worked with by other activists for years (one person using “extrajudiciously targeted” comes to mind, a horrible label as it says to me you committed some crime the courts couldn’t punish you for. while it may be the case that suggests it’s deserved)
                                                                                                                                Targeted individual does sound awkward.
                                                                                                                                This goes on much longer the relentless and sadistic way it has been I may shuck it all and get back to basics:

                                                                                                                                This is criminal. There is no need to confuse, obfuscate or make me look like some kook in a paperback thriller sitting in a supermarket checkout rack.

                                                                                                                                I’m a victim of a crime under U.S.C. title 18 section 241 and probably 243. A long term applied campaign of mental duress and physical harassment meant to break me, committed by two or more persons conspiring with intent to deprive me of my civil rights.

                                                                                                                                A Victim.

                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                May 21, 2011 01:13:58 AM

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                                                                                                                                • Targeted Citizen?  D. for Citizens That Know

                                                                                                                                  I personally always resisted the term TI. I really feel that all we do has to be proactive. We didn’t start this, and we shouldn’t be on the defensive, but pushing back the psychos into their own pile of cacca very firmly, for treating us this way.

                                                                                                                                  To me saying the letters ‘T’ ‘I’, almost feels like I’m saying that ‘I’ am a ‘target’. Also, ‘Individual’ is a word that isolates and singles someone out. I started using the letters ‘TC’, recently, because I feel ‘targeted citizen’ is an offense to everyone, as well as a threat. Which is exactly what these programs are. And maybe people would relate to us better. However, TC, may be hard for targets who really feel caught in the cross hairs and are very worried about ‘I’. ‘Are you targeting ‘I’'? Not to mention that it’s a term that’s new.

                                                                                                                                   
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                                                                                                                                  • Re: Targeted Citizen?  jeremy

                                                                                                                                    The question I’m raising in this article is whether it’s really about the individual complaining about being targeted - and if it’s not, does “TI” place undue weight on the complainant’s perceptions? Sure, they led me to believe that it was all about me and my flaws… but that’s just a psychological manipulation tactic. I know I’m not unique in this regard.

                                                                                                                                    Has the use of the term “TI” led many of us astray? That’s what I’m asking.

                                                                                                                                    TC doesn’t seem to address any problems with the phrase, and raises troubling new questions. A “citizen” is an individual, right? So when using “TC”, you’re still talking about targeting individuals, but now you’re drawing a distinction between individuals who are citizens, and those who aren’t.

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                                                                                                                                    • Re: Targeted Citizen?  Stand Alone Complex

                                                                                                                                      Thats the power of words, how it changes the manner in which we think of things.

                                                                                                                                      We need to keep our minds fluidic enough to consider what is going on in a logical manner not emotional responses to labels.

                                                                                                                                      Think of a chessgame where everyone calls a certain piece a “bishop” but that piece is moving around like a “knight”.

                                                                                                                                      Think of the trap of “gangstalking” and how this has traditionally been a kind of thinking trap.

                                                                                                                                       
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                                                                                                                                      • Re: Targeted Citizen?  D. for Citizens That Know

                                                                                                                                        I am saying that ‘TI’ sets a person up to feel, and to seem to others, that they are being singled out. And maybe it’s true sometimes. I can’t imagine that one of us ‘victims’ would come up with the term ‘targeted individual’. I’d be more likely to say something that directs the attention to what the perps are doing. so, I would say that ‘yes’, the term ‘TI’ is meant to lead the person astray, by the perps. It’s propaganda. If it’s us to up to create our own proaganda we want it to convey that it is happening to us without cause and it could happen to anyone else.

                                                                                                                                        My view, always, is that the problem is the behavior of the perps, no matter the targeted person may be. They could never account for themselves. What do you think they call themselves?

                                                                                                                                        For me, the change with the term TC is that everyone can identify with being a ‘Citizen’. Though point taken, there are many people who are new to this country and aren’t Citizens yet, who may also be targeted.

                                                                                                                                        Maybe the problem really is that we are being stalked, harassed and having our lives destroyed. Any term is a bad one.

                                                                                                                                         
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                                                                                                                                    • Mentioned on raven1.net in the year 2000  jeremy

                                                                                                                                      The earliest mention on a CIA/DoD asset’s site I can find:

                                                                                                                                      http://web.archive.org/web/20000229053033/http://www.raven1.net/ravindex.htm

                                                                                                                                      … raven1.net (Feb. 2000).

                                                                                                                                      That’s not to say the terminology was invented by her, but it looks like she’s the one who popularized it.

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                                                                                                                                    Posted by jeremy on February 6, 2011 8:35 pm.



                                                                                                                                    … and yes, I failed it.


                                                                                                                                    …recent advances in neuroimaging have made it possible to measure this difference between a schizophrenic’s brain and a healthy person’s brain.

                                                                                                                                    The hollow-mask optical illusion is a simple test for the neurological dysfunction associated with schizophrenia. The visual senses of a person with a healthy brain will be overwhelmed by the illusion; a schizophrenic person reliably sees right through it.

                                                                                                                                    What is the hollow-mask illusion? When a hollow mask is turned away from you, it will appear to be facing you; the nose, for example, will appear to be protruding from the mask. The illusion is so powerful that even if a test subject is told in advance what to look for, and even if he watches the illusion unfolding, his senses will still deceive him.

                                                                                                                                    Try it yourself:

                                                                                                                                    The brain activity responsible for the illusion

                                                                                                                                    Mental health professionals have known about schizophrenics’ immunity to optical illusions like this one for some time. And now, recent advances in neuroimaging have made it possible to measure this difference between a schizophrenic’s brain and a healthy person’s brain.

                                                                                                                                    A 2009 study of 29 volunteers used a functional MRI (fMRI) and a new analysis technique called dynamic causal modeling to identify how the volunteers process visual illusions. The results were conclusive, showing that schizophrenics’ failure to get taken in by the hollow mask illusion could be reliably detected.1

                                                                                                                                    A Science Daily article has a writeup for laymen:

                                                                                                                                    [This] study confirms that patients with schizophrenia are not fooled by the ‘hollow mask’ illusion, and that this may relate to a difference in the way two parts of their brains communicate with each other – the ‘bottom-up’ process of collecting incoming visual information from the eyes, and the ‘top-down’ process of interpreting this information…

                                                                                                                                    … all 16 control volunteers perceived the hollow mask as a normal face – mis-categorising the illusion faces 99 percent of the time. By contrast, all 13 patients with schizophrenia could routinely distinguish between hollow and normal faces, with an average of only six percent mis-categorisation errors for illusion faces…

                                                                                                                                    The results of the brain imaging analysis suggested that in the healthy volunteers, connectivity between two parts of the brain, the parietal cortex involved in top-down control, particularly spatial attention, and the lateral occipital cortex involved in bottom-up processing of visual information, increased when the hollow faces were presented. In the patients with schizophrenia, this connectivity change did not occur.2

                                                                                                                                    Caveats

                                                                                                                                    Seeing through the illusion isn’t a completely reliable indicator of schizophrenia. Some alcoholic test subjects may not be fooled by the hollow mask illusion.3 Being under the influence of cannabis (marijuana) may also yield a false positive.4


                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                    1. ^ Dima, Roiser, et al (2009). "Understanding why patients with schizophrenia do not perceive the hollow-mask illusion using dynamic causal modelling" NeuroImage. doi:10.1016/j.neuroimage.2009.03.033
                                                                                                                                    2. ^ "Hollow Mask Illusion Fails To Fool Schizophrenia Patients"; ScienceDaily (April 17, 2009).
                                                                                                                                    3. ^ Schneider, Deitrich, et al. (1997). "Reduced binocular depth inversion in patients with alcoholism"; Alcohol & Alcoholism Vol. 33, No. 2, pp. 168-172, 1998.
                                                                                                                                    4. ^ H.M. Emricha, M.M. Webera, A. Wendla, J. Zihla, L. Von Meyer and W. Hanisch (1991). "Reduced binocular depth inversion as an indicator of cannabis-induced censorship impairment"; Pharmacology Biochemistry and Behavior Volume 40, Issue 3, November 1991, Pages 689-690. doi:10.1016/0091-3057(91)90383-D

                                                                                                                                     


                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                    1. Re: If you fail this test, you're not schizophrenic  jonjay

                                                                                                                                      I rewinded this over and over and still failed. However, usually wouldn’t MOST people be able to pass it if you look at it over and over again? Are you sure this is a real test and not visual trickery? It’s almost like an alternate visual takes over when looking at the picture supposedly concave.

                                                                                                                                      At the end of the day, all i can say is this is horrible. Even if I am never targeted another day in my life, I will now know the cruelty of humanity and the facade of American Values and culture. I swear I don’t know what’s worse, living a lie in which predators brings you down without your knowledge or knowing that human nature is essentially animal in nature. It’s like evolution never occurred. I am in a nightmare trapped on Dr. Moreau’s Island!

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                                                                                                                                      • Re: If you fail this test, you're not schizophrenic  jeremy

                                                                                                                                        However, usually wouldn’t MOST people be able to pass it if you look at it over and over again?

                                                                                                                                        Through repeated viewings you can grasp intellectually how you’re being fooled, but your eyes will still relay a lie to your mind. It’s a powerful optical illusion.

                                                                                                                                        Are you sure this is a real test and not visual trickery?

                                                                                                                                        There are several other hollow mask videos on Youtube, and you can try it in person with someone holding a mask for you. As long as you’ve got a healthy brain, you’ll be fooled by all these tests.

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                                                                                                                                      • Re: If you fail this test, you're not schizophrenic  Alice

                                                                                                                                        It fool me over and over again. I’m not fooled that easy. Hum, you say it can’t fool some ones who schizonphren? So does that mean some one who suffers from this sees things more clearly than the rest of us? I watched at 5 times it still fooled me. I mean I study it hard trying to find where to tell the differences, I couldn’t see it. How do you tell the difference? Well I knowI’m not crazy but they try to make me look that way. I agree with jonjay people are evil beyound your wildest thoughts. I think they look for ways to be more evil any thing to hurt you. This has been my experiance through these implants.

                                                                                                                                         
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                                                                                                                                        • Re: If you fail this test, you're not schizophrenic  jeremy

                                                                                                                                          You seem to be upset that you were fooled. It’s good that you were fooled.

                                                                                                                                          You may be at half capacity due to sleep deprivation, but you’re not mentally ill. That’s the point.

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                                                                                                                                        • Re: If you fail this test, you're not schizophrenic  anon

                                                                                                                                          J, thanks for the repost on this. Happy to say I failed it.

                                                                                                                                          No doubt the schizophrenic label is a go-to favorite for our dear Drs. Mengele. And yet, it’s best if we elucidate WHY that is, and why they are so compulsive about driving hard to the hoop to apply this label (even if it entails the unethical practice of doing so remotely/without any direct contact and even if all of the “conditions” they “observe” somehow miraculously evaporate in their absence.)

                                                                                                                                          So why are they so adamant? Because it is no less than an existential struggle in their minds, to rationalize why other people arrive at different conclusions about the nature of things.

                                                                                                                                          They cannot fathom that their logic is incomplete, so it MUST BE that the other person is schizophrenic. And not only does the other have it all wrong, it is an INBORN defect.
                                                                                                                                          And not only is it an inborn defect, it is something that others should be viscerally afraid of.

                                                                                                                                          They are adamant about it as a matter of their own desperation. Look at what an absolutely convoluted, well-oiled, well-financed machine has evolved to protect MOTU from something as simple as differences of opinion and personal preferences. But this is all upstream chaos to a fascist. Better believe.

                                                                                                                                          In their highly reactive, risk averse minds, encountering such differences means they register a SURVIVAL THREAT And we kindly, empathic, see both sides kinds of souls have, for the most part, ceded the systems and policies of our society to accommodate those who are apparently congenitally risk averse.

                                                                                                                                          As things stand, they tell everyone they are in your life because you should be a patient. But the truth is, they’re in your life because you are a formidable opponent. And if they had a lick of courage, they’d allow things like the First Amendment and Due Process to vett out all that deserves vetting and take their defeats if they have indeed earned them. But that would represent too much of a loss of control to even let it get that far, so here we are in a Pre-Crime world, born of a paranoid, static, upstream mindset, where they manipulate observations to justify their own existence. Must be nice to be situated in such a way as to be self-dealing. I’m sorry, but who is it really who costs too much?????

                                                                                                                                          It’s like the guy who wants to sell metal detectors going down to the beach beforehand, planting little metal trinkets, inviting the world to come join him, and then putting on a display of his wares.

                                                                                                                                          I’m unimpressed. I’ve always been unimpressed by such things and I’ve said as much in no uncertain terms.
                                                                                                                                          That’s why I’m here.

                                                                                                                                          And yes, Time will tell.

                                                                                                                                           
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                                                                                                                                          • Re: If you fail this test, you're not schizophrenic  anon

                                                                                                                                            Must be nice to be situated in such a way as to be self-dealing.

                                                                                                                                            Just had to highlight that one more time.
                                                                                                                                            It’s called bilking the system. Which is ironic, because supposedly they exist to try to find potential drains on the system. Some people call it the snake eating it’s own tail. Some say simply, it’s just turtles all the way down.

                                                                                                                                            Here’s a showdown I’d frikkin love to see happen.

                                                                                                                                            TI is hauled into court and the prosecutors put their fMRI on display as evidence that their perceptions are askew and that the TI represents a threat to society.

                                                                                                                                            TI, representing him/herself appeals to the judge to have the prosecutor submit his/her fMRI to the court for examination.

                                                                                                                                            After all, we are now in the world of litmus tests for perception & deception.

                                                                                                                                            If their risk-aversion is the basis for why we’re here, then there you have it.

                                                                                                                                             
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                                                                                                                                            • Re: If you fail this test, you're not schizophrenic  jonjay

                                                                                                                                              I agree with you. However, I really think the MRI argument will always be a losing one. I am a pessimist. There is a VERY weak TI community in terms of quantity and consistent message that is being put out to the public. It’s like the Civil Rights movement. Malcolm X’s message was so militant that many black folks who were oppressed were not willing to listen and the power structure SURE as heck wasn’t about to listen. I have to say even though I have been through hell and back, I am still conservative about the approach to be taken with officials in DC or watch dog organizations. Believe me, there is no “left” or “right” agenda when it comes to TIs.

                                                                                                                                              Because this is an extrajudicial or preemptive system of justice if you will, due process will never be a part of it. Just as there are casualties of war, there will be casualties of this program that folks are under. I feel as if I have lost my family and honestly, now that they have been exposed for participating, I don’t have the drive to “fix” it anymore. If you don’t have family and friends to trust, you don’t have much. I never valued material things that much anyway, but with this program they take every bit of humanity away from you. And if for SOME reason this is NOT a program and just a bizarre high number of coincidental and ironic events, then I guess someone has to be the statistic.

                                                                                                                                              I have said this before, the fight is going to be with FUNDING. Cutting the budgets that maintain such covert experimental programs. Once a TI, always a TI, the scars will never go away. However, if the main source of funding is curbed, this may help them focus on REAL threats opposed to people on revenge lists.

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                                                                                                                                            • Re: If you fail this test, you're not schizophrenic  Confused

                                                                                                                                              I watched the video twice. The first time I saw it through the embedded video. I could only tell it was hollow.
                                                                                                                                              Then the second time I saw it full screen on youtube. Throughout the entirety of the second video I could only make out the “3d” hollow head twice.
                                                                                                                                              What does this mean exactly???

                                                                                                                                               
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                                                                                                                                              • Re: confused  jeremy

                                                                                                                                                Seeing through the illusion doesn’t prove you’re schizophrenic. Alcoholism and marijuana use can yield false positives. Check the end of the article.

                                                                                                                                                February 7, 2011 07:13:43 PM

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                                                                                                                                              • Re: If you fail this test, you're not schizophrenic  nice test

                                                                                                                                                Thank u I failed! One test I hope I never pass

                                                                                                                                                 
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                                                                                                                                                • Re: If you fail this test, you're not schizophrenic  c_pete

                                                                                                                                                  This is quite amazing. Whether or not this test is valid, the fact that there is a percentage of the population that can discern these illusions is very interesting. Does anyone know how this is possible cognitively?

                                                                                                                                                   
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                                                                                                                                                  • Cognitive basis for test  jeremy

                                                                                                                                                    Snagged from a cognitive science board discussing this illusion:

                                                                                                                                                    It’s not that schizophrenic people can decipher optical illusions; [they can decipher] specific optical illusions related to face processing. Face processing and SCZ (together) live in a domain called social cognition. It’s been hypothesized that SCZ folks show social cognitive deficits like [autism spectrum disorder] folks.

                                                                                                                                                    Also, [regarding the observation that alcoholics/stoners can ‘beat the illusion’]: it’s not that you beat the illusion in these conditions, it’s that you cannot properly inhibit the optical illusion parts, so, what’s really there “appears”, because your brain says “[to hell with] this, I’m drunk, I’m not going to try very hard”.

                                                                                                                                                    However, that same explanation does not apply to SCZ folks. A similar one to that, though, is that overall, they have issues with face processing, so that part of the brain may go “I’m going to act drunk all the time and I’m not going to try very hard when I see faces”.

                                                                                                                                                    February 8, 2011 10:22:35 PM

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                                                                                                                                                  • Re: If you fail this test, you're not schizophrenic  anon

                                                                                                                                                    However, that same explanation does not apply to SCZ folks. A similar one to that, though, is that overall, they have issues with face processing, so that part of the brain may go “I’m going to act drunk all the time and I’m not going to try very hard when I see faces”.

                                                                                                                                                    Uh boy, here we go. I think I was just born (actually, also well-trained) to play devil’s advocate with these kinds of discussions, using my background as a counselor & a TI. Here goes:

                                                                                                                                                    Going with the very simple line of questioning, “Under specific conditions, could there be an alternative explanation for the observed (brain) behavior?”

                                                                                                                                                    And the very simple fact of the matter is that if you know someone is exploiting you, against your will, to accomplish a task, that will allow further exploitation of people in general, are you going to co-operate?

                                                                                                                                                    After all, the whole reverse engineering to torture, is, as we’ve mentioned previously: survive, evade, resist, escape. If a TI has a background in meditation, or has learned how to “lag” in processing scenery (including overall meaning of text that has just been read, words that have been said, etc.), then that is a form of intentional resistance. I’ve heard of TIs also being noncompliant with demands from motu to read lengthier texts (it’s all about the mapping).

                                                                                                                                                    It’s a pain in the arse to be misunderstood, lost in translation all the time, but given the whole swat a gnat with a sledgehammer thing we’ve got going, possibly marching towards some forced bioengineering scenario, hey, we all soldier on the best way we know how. You don’t ask permission to conduct research, you don’t get cooperation. Period.

                                                                                                                                                    We got idiots in just about every corner of the nation watching this unfold and they have no clue what it’s like to be engaged in a multi-year siege/battle of wits with a bunch of soulless literalist buffoons, who would conduct a lot better research if they would just ask a frikkin question every now and then. But they can’t, because they’ve co-opted their subjects’ lives without consent. Idiot observers wouldn’t know creative survival strategies if someone wrote it on their hand for them.

                                                                                                                                                    So FK em all. Lag Lag Lag. No names. Gosh, aren’t my shooooes interesting today?

                                                                                                                                                     
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                                                                                                                                                    • Re: If you fail this test, you're not schizophrenic  Shannon

                                                                                                                                                      Anon,

                                                                                                                                                      Your perspective/comments on this subject (targeted individuals) are among the most direct and lucid that I have read so far. And believe me, I’ve read plenty.

                                                                                                                                                      I hope you don’t mind if I share them? Thank you!

                                                                                                                                                      - Shannon

                                                                                                                                                       
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                                                                                                                                                      • Re: If you fail this test, you're not schizophrenic  Ben

                                                                                                                                                        I have some psychotic symptoms from time to time. I do not see through this illusion. I think that failing this test would only suggest you wern’t completely schizophrenic. Factors like stress, drugs and mental state may well effect ones result over time.

                                                                                                                                                         
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                                                                                                                                                        • Re: psychotic episodes  jeremy

                                                                                                                                                          I have some psychotic symptoms from time to time.

                                                                                                                                                          Psychotic episodes can be caused by things other than schizophrenia:

                                                                                                                                                          • brain tumors
                                                                                                                                                          • bipolar disorder
                                                                                                                                                          • extreme stress

                                                                                                                                                          There are many other possible causes for psychotic episodes of short duration. See: Wikipedia's page on psychotic episodes.

                                                                                                                                                          Note that the sorts of problems TI’s have are not ‘brief episodes’, and there are good reasons not to lump their experiences in with symptoms of mental illness - but a detailed explanation will have to wait for later.

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                                                                                                                                                        • Re: If you fail this test, you're not schizophrenic  JackOrr

                                                                                                                                                          Those are all the plans of the police, FBI and CIA, they always slander the perps or the people their framing, to disredit them. Always

                                                                                                                                                           
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                                                                                                                                                          • Re: If you fail this test, you're not schizophrenic  stopthestalkers

                                                                                                                                                            I too have failed watched it and it creeped me out lol

                                                                                                                                                             
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                                                                                                                                                            Posted by jeremy on April 18, 2011 5:40 pm.



                                                                                                                                                            Some of this refers to concepts I haven’t talked about yet, post-take two. I’ll update the list as I continue to flesh out my second take on targeting.

                                                                                                                                                            Targeting

                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                            Word/phrase and analysisVerdict

                                                                                                                                                            If a person’s beliefs are altered through a program of psychological torture, that person can be said to be brainwashed. Used by cults and military/intelligence organizations, brainwashing can be thought of as forced indoctrination into untrue, implausible and even indefensible belief systems.

                                                                                                                                                            Both of these are excellent terms describing what has been done to, or attempted on, a majority of targeted individuals.

                                                                                                                                                            Recommended

                                                                                                                                                            The tactics used against targets can be characterized as terrorism. The tactics play on individual targets’ fears, bypass the conscious mind with extreme harassment episodes1, and/or use frightening misinformation - disseminated by others the target trusts.

                                                                                                                                                            Don’t use lightly

                                                                                                                                                            Many targets will experience psychological torture and/or physical abuse. Some may suffer debilitating/crippling electronic harassment. These things can be grouped together as torture.

                                                                                                                                                            However, using torture to describe individual episodes may be inappropriate. And after hearing this word, some listeners will ask for examples of how you’ve been tortured. If you’re not prepared to answer questions like those, don’t use this word.

                                                                                                                                                            Don’t use lightly

                                                                                                                                                            Surveillance abuse is the abusive use of surveillance in ways that defy societal norms. The information gathered about a target of surveillance abuse will be used against that target, in harmful or distressing ways.

                                                                                                                                                            Add to your vocabulary

                                                                                                                                                            Referring to the entire ordeal as harassment might not convey what the problems are. It’s pretty obvious that harassment is only one tool serving a broader objective.

                                                                                                                                                            Best used for individual episodes

                                                                                                                                                            Psychological warfare, psychological operations, and psychological manipulation are the use of sophisticated techniques originally developed by military and intelligence organizations to change a target’s attitudes and perceptions. This terminology is important to be aware of, but it doesn’t cover damaging assaults or attacks on a target’s livelihood.

                                                                                                                                                            Add to your vocabulary

                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                            Describing stalking-like activities

                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                            Word/phrase and analysisVerdict

                                                                                                                                                            High-tech stalking by proxy is probably the best explanation of what’s happening to a solid majority of targets who have found their way to sites like this one. It satisfies targets who perceive they are being stalked - the explanation is that they are, but by a much smaller number of people than they assume - and also explains much of the electronic harassment targets are reporting.2

                                                                                                                                                            Accurate description of activities in targeting

                                                                                                                                                            Organized harassment is the broadest phrase I’ve been able to come up with to describe what many targets experience. “Organized harassment” encompasses the organized use of surveillance abuse, psychological warfare tactics, actual vandalism, secret boycotts and blacklisting, and even electronic harassment.

                                                                                                                                                            Okay

                                                                                                                                                            Community-based harassment is similar to organized harassment, and its wording is more potent in some ways, as it assigns blame (answering the question, “Who is doing this?”) while not singling any particular group out. However, it doesn’t address the issue of how problems follow the target from one area to another, nor does it address many kinds of electronic harassment. In short, community-based harassment may be “the answer” for some targets; but for other targets, community-based harassment may only be one component of the target’s ordeal, or may not apply at all.

                                                                                                                                                            Potentially misleading

                                                                                                                                                            The use of the word stalking gives undue weight to the target’s perception that large numbers of people are persistently following him, not allowing for mobbing (instinctual out-group hostility) or the possibly of highly deceptive operations intended to look like stalking3.

                                                                                                                                                            However, stalking/harassment by groups of people does happen, and it can take a while to learn whether things are as they seem, or whether one is targeted4.

                                                                                                                                                            Potentially misleading

                                                                                                                                                            Mobbing is a form of group bullying that may have a ringleader; it seems to develop naturally out of covert communications between group members. I’ve written before that mobbing is essentially instinctual behavior5, exhibited by birds, small animals, and even insects6.

                                                                                                                                                            While targeting might seem to be mobbing, especially in the beginning, this explanation falls short of explaining multi-year, multi-location harassment.

                                                                                                                                                            Even though targeting is much more comprehensive than mobbing, mobbing may be an element of an individual target’s ordeal. A target might truthfully say, “I was mobbed out of my last job,” for example.

                                                                                                                                                            Add to your vocabulary

                                                                                                                                                            Gang-stalking (note the hyphen) is a popular term describing highly coordinated patterns of harassment, break-ins, conspicuous surveillance, and so on. This should only be used as a verb or gerund, and never to describe a person. One might say “[an organization] gang-stalked me for years”, or, “they’ve been gang-stalking me”, but one should never say “[he] is a ‘gang stalker’”.

                                                                                                                                                            The term rolls off the tongue, and I use it. The problems come when you use the term in ways which suggest there is a gang who is stalking you. (High-tech stalking by proxy, above, can fool a person into thinking actual “gangs” are “stalking” him.)

                                                                                                                                                            Use sparingly and carefully; in writing, use with a hyphen

                                                                                                                                                            I’ve concluded that organized stalking, a phrase invented to address the perceived shortcomings of other terminology, is more misleading than gang-stalking, the neologism it’s meant to replace. Organized stalking implies agency (knowledge, cooperation, and ill intent) on the part of the people the target perceives to be stalking him. The contrived controversy over “gang-stalking” versus “organized stalking” distracts from the real issue, namely that the people on the street aren’t really stalkers.

                                                                                                                                                            Misleading; search engine fodder only

                                                                                                                                                            Terrorist stalking (political stalking) and vengeance stalking are in print, and even recognized as a problem by government sources7. Both types of stalking differ from classical stalking in that the objective is not to seek a personal relationship with the target, but to cause harm to the target (vengeance) or coerce the target (terrorist/political).

                                                                                                                                                            However, terrorist/vengeance stalking aren’t nearly as coordinated or sophisticated as what targets are talking about. Meanwhile, high-tech stalking by proxy (above) can be disguised as these things.

                                                                                                                                                            Use carefully

                                                                                                                                                            Cause stalking: you have to understand the history of this phrase, first put into print in 2001. The term was used to describe religiously- or ideologically- motivated terrorist stalking.8 That year, Lawson published a book describing some harassment tactics targeted individuals were complaining about, and followed up in 2007, claiming cause stalking as his own phrase.9 This book has been discredited.10

                                                                                                                                                            Misleading; mention only to debunk

                                                                                                                                                            A person who gives signs suggesting knowledge of a target’s private activities, or who is participating in a street theatre skit, will often be accused of perping, targeting, or triggering the target. That person might not be doing what he’s doing knowingly.

                                                                                                                                                            There will be incidents where a person has been informed that particular phrases or actions bother a target, and does them anyway. This could be called malicious.

                                                                                                                                                            Slang; overused

                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                            Mind-invasive technology, electronic harassment

                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                            Term and analysisVerdict

                                                                                                                                                            Electronic mind control is a catch-all term covering all kinds of mind-invasive technologies. Recommended in most cases. It may seem like overkill if you’re just referring to synthetic telepathy / V2K (below).

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                                                                                                                                                            A wide range of possible hazards or weapons have been identified as possible instruments of electronic harassment, defined as the use of electronic devices to remotely harass, torture, and/or physically harm a person. If you’re getting electronically harassed, it’s debilitating or crippling, and you can explain why, it’s appropriate to refer to it as electronic torture or simply torture.

                                                                                                                                                            This terminology has been claimed by others with different meanings11, and can be misleading in other ways. As previously discussed, electronic mind control can be disguised as any form of electronic harassment that doesn’t leave traces behind, and sometimes, even some that do.12

                                                                                                                                                            If you’re unable to categorize an electronic harassment episode as a form of electronic mind control with certainty, it’s better to use this phrase - you might volunteer that “it could have been mind control”. If an episode is definitely some kind of electronic mind control, you should categorize it that way.

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                                                                                                                                                            Mental surveillance is the form of surveillance that many targets have reason to believe they’re under, through a lengthy process of elimination and eventual direct feedback. Mental surveillance could gather information on every sensation and impulse that passes through the brain - including sensory input and verbal/visual thoughts.

                                                                                                                                                            This terminology doesn’t presuppose any specific kind of technology. You can think of it as a more focused way of talking about mind reading or thought reading.

                                                                                                                                                            Like other forms of surveillance, this is essentially unprovable, and a person only knows he’s being surveilled if he’s ‘tipped off’.

                                                                                                                                                            Recommended

                                                                                                                                                            Many targets refer to mental surveillance (above) as remote neural monitoring, citing a questionable early 90’s court filing. The terminology seems to make the speaker sound more authoritative, but:

                                                                                                                                                            1. there’s no reliable source talking about this subject;
                                                                                                                                                            2. the speaker can’t prove that a particular surveillance technology is being used against him.
                                                                                                                                                            Some targets misuse “remote neural monitoring” to refer to all kinds of electronic mind control abuses.
                                                                                                                                                            Not recommended, but popular; search engine fodder

                                                                                                                                                            Some targets describe the surveillance they’re under as satellite surveillance, referring to a self-published book about the subject13. This is a really bad idea, as they have no proof they’re under surveillance by any particular device, including a satellite. It also may lead listeners to believe the speaker is saying a satellite is dedicated to watching him.

                                                                                                                                                            This is exactly the kind of phrasing that leads most people to label targets as delusional.

                                                                                                                                                            Avoid

                                                                                                                                                            Synthetic telepathy is only one aspect of what’s possible with electronic mind control. Nevertheless, it conveys the unwanted invasion of privacy or harassment that comes with these technologies. Furthermore, this terminology has been used by the US military and picked up by the mainstream media.14

                                                                                                                                                            General use, search engine fodder

                                                                                                                                                            Evoked actions or subconsciously evoked actions refer to the use of electronic mind control technology to get individuals to act out. The work of Jose Delgado corroborates what many targets have learned the hard way: the conscious mind rationalizes externally-evoked behavior; a person being made to act wouldn’t be aware his actions weren’t the product of his free will.

                                                                                                                                                            The terminology supersedes “subliminals” (below).

                                                                                                                                                            Use in the context of discussions of electronic mind control

                                                                                                                                                            I’ve come to the conclusion that “subliminals” or subliminal messages are a potentially misleading framing of mind control technology. The use of these phrases/words helps to support the vague idea that the problems targets have stem from the abuse of “voice to skull” technology (below). Subconsciously evoked actions (above) is a much better way of describing actions that individuals are made to take.

                                                                                                                                                            However, it’s possible subliminal messages may be used to jumpstart a train of thought, or to influence a target into thinking about a subject. One person has suggested inner voice cloning to describe this.

                                                                                                                                                            Use with care; avoid in describing evoked actions

                                                                                                                                                            Psychotronics was a term used by Dennis Kuchinich in HR 2977 to refer to mind-invasive technology. Other than that, it’s terminology that’s not widely used. Plus, it just sounds weird.

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                                                                                                                                                            Mind control: many unaware targets will search for sites using this terminology. However, the phrase means different things to different people. There are methods of mind control that don’t have anything to do with the use of technology. Even if you restrict the use of this term to the context of government abuses, you’ve got at least a few different groups of people with different issues (and a lot of overlap), such as targeted individuals, MKULTRA/Monarch survivors, and victims of brainwashing.

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                                                                                                                                                            Mind reading doesn’t convey what else can be read. Also, targets might be misled into believing there is some sort of ‘brain scan’ capability, when in fact it’s the target’s thoughts or mental activities that are being read. Finally, there is some confusion over the use of this terminology in other contexts; for example, “mind reading” scanners are being marketed for use in airports, when what they really are is “nervousness reading” scanners15.

                                                                                                                                                            Search engine fodder only

                                                                                                                                                            “Remote neural” is sometimes used to refer to both remote neural monitoring and electronic mind control.

                                                                                                                                                            Slang

                                                                                                                                                            “Holograms” are sometimes used to refer to instances of augmented reality.12 Unaware targets may think they’re experiencing holograms, so any use of this terminology online should at least explain the possibility of augmented reality.

                                                                                                                                                            Slang; misleading; debunk

                                                                                                                                                            V2K or voice to skull is terminology originally invented by the US military to describe the military use of the microwave auditory effect, and pulled from military web pages a few years ago16. The term “V2K” is misleading to targets because it misrepresents the real capabilities of the technology:

                                                                                                                                                            1. It makes them think shielding that blocks microwaves will block what they’re experiencing;
                                                                                                                                                            2. It suggests that the only kinds of noises generated by this technology are voices;
                                                                                                                                                            3. The microwave auditory effect makes sounds appear to be coming from inside the head, but I’ve recently mentioned that electronic mind control can be used to make sounds appear to be coming from anywhere.12
                                                                                                                                                            Slang; misleading

                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                            The people

                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                            Using improper terminology to describe the participants playing a role in your life as a target can be highly misleading to others, as well as yourself. Learning to use the correct terminology helps you come to terms with what’s really happening, and helps you talk cogently about targeting with the general public.

                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                            These words are all negative or unflattering labels, and applying them necessarily involves accusing people. One of the biggest problems targets have is a tendency - particularly in the beginning - to make accusations that will often turn out to be unfounded. Assume good faith; don’t assume that simply because someone makes a knowing remark or gesture, he knows anything at all.

                                                                                                                                                            Term and analysisVerdict

                                                                                                                                                            A handlerstrong> is a person watching a targeted individual and managing his life, using mind control techniques such as persuasion, threats, and deception. This term suggests a real-time and highly invasive connection linking the handler to the target.17

                                                                                                                                                            Recommended

                                                                                                                                                            An operative or op undertakes long-term operations, some of which may involve a target. An operative will be aware of mission objectives, but might not be aware of their significance, due to the need-to-know principle.

                                                                                                                                                            Operative is a catch-all term encompassing agents, informants, and assets. A good example would be the reports of small teams of men taking up residence near some targeted individuals.

                                                                                                                                                            Use judiciously

                                                                                                                                                            Patsies are criminally versatile or criminally-credentialled individuals manipulated into committing specific criminal acts on someone else’s behalf; they take the brunt of the blame for what happens. In the event a patsy acts out, most onlookers will assume that everything is as it seems, and be satisfied with official explanations. Investigators may not be so easily fooled, but the availability of an obvious culprit (and a lack of incentives to dig further) will usually thwart a more thorough investigation.

                                                                                                                                                            Many targets are in agreement that the tools used against them are also sometimes used to create patsies.

                                                                                                                                                            Use judiciously

                                                                                                                                                            Dupes are manipulated into acting out, or acting against a target.18 Unlike patsies, their actions fall short of serious illegality, usually only involving overt (obvious) hostility. Because they don’t feel they have anything to hide - that is, they aren’t doing anything illegal - they will at least be willing to tell the authorities what they’ve been told about a target; this is how one over-the-top smear campaign was recently exposed.19

                                                                                                                                                            Many targets believe that certain authoritarian venues or social networks are used to spread smears about them, thereby creating dupes.

                                                                                                                                                            Use judiciously

                                                                                                                                                            Pawns are unwittingly used against targets.18 I’ve previously suggested that most “covert aggression” targets perceive is actually coming from mind-controlled pawns20, or from other innocents who are unaware of the significance of their actions with respect to a target.21

                                                                                                                                                            Use judiciously

                                                                                                                                                            An agent is employed by an organization, such as a government, and acting on its behalf. Experienced agents like to operate under the cover of the law (if they think there’s a chance they might get caught), and will try to manipulate lower echelons, informants, assets, or local yokels into doing their dirty work for them.

                                                                                                                                                            Use judiciously

                                                                                                                                                            “Local yokels” is an example of derisive terminology used by federal authorities to refer to local authorities who are told a pack of lies about a targeted person or group.18 The locals act on the bad information, and they have to deal with the consequences.22

                                                                                                                                                            Use caution

                                                                                                                                                            Informants (or snitches) are individuals who provide intelligence to an organization (or an agent of the organization). Some informants may be paid for tips, which creates perverse incentives to manufacture evidence. Police informants may be motivated by non-monetary factors, such as staying out of prison in exchange for the tips they provide. Volunteer informants, whether affiliated with an organization or not, have their own perverse incentives; they may see snitching as a way to get rid of someone they dislike, or to bring down the competition.

                                                                                                                                                            Use judiciously

                                                                                                                                                            Assets are individuals with no formal ties to any organization. An asset has particular skills, talents, credentials, or other qualities which make him useful to a controlling organization, and will be moved into place to use in a particular assignment - such as operations involving a target. The asset will be controlled, often via blackmail.

                                                                                                                                                            Assets act knowingly. Professionals who risk their licenses to punish a target would fall into this category.

                                                                                                                                                            Can’t prove it

                                                                                                                                                            A case officer is like a handler, but the use of the term implies the person is acting under lawful orders, and has been “assigned” to the target through a chain of command.

                                                                                                                                                            Not recommended

                                                                                                                                                            Perpetrators are individuals involved with your ordeal who have committed actual criminal acts.23 What distinguishes a perpetrator from a patsy (above) is the intent and knowing participation; the perception of many TI’s that perpetrators are “evil” is right on the mark.

                                                                                                                                                            This label should not be applied lightly. Just because you feel someone nearby is acting funny, doesn’t mean he’s a perpetrator.

                                                                                                                                                            Overused

                                                                                                                                                            Targets will often label perceived perpetrators - that is, anyone who (in the target’s opinion) is “in on it” - as “perps”.

                                                                                                                                                            A less common use: anyone who has perpetrator psychology (manipulative, exploitative, corrupt) but isn’t necessarily hostile to the target.

                                                                                                                                                            Slang and self-isolating jargon

                                                                                                                                                            Stalkers are perpetrators who are guilty of stalking. According to law and common use, a person who persistently follows a person would be stalking him. Most of the individuals targets encounter don’t qualify as stalkers under this definition.

                                                                                                                                                            If you encounter strangers who seem to be hanging around, and give subtle signs they’re “in on it”, that doesn’t mean anything; it could be more of that covert aggression I’ve been attributing to mind control technology abuse20. This label, too, is overused.

                                                                                                                                                            Avoid

                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                            You

                                                                                                                                                            A targeted individual (or T.I.) is a person who has been targeted for destruction, neutralization, or experimentation/torture by a powerful, state-sanctioned or state-sponsored organization. To an outsider, a T.I. looks like someone who is complaining about, literally, nothing. The numbers of targeted individuals are small enough that you alone, by your actions, can shape the connotations of this term for better or worse.

                                                                                                                                                            Choose your words wisely.


                                                                                                                                                            References

                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                            1. ^ Animal mobbing behavior (Wikipedia)
                                                                                                                                                            2. ^ National Victim Assistance Academy Textbook, chapter 22, 2002.
                                                                                                                                                            3. ^ "Stopping a Stalker: A Cop's Guide to Making the System Work for You" by Robert L. Snow, published in 2001 (Google Books).
                                                                                                                                                            4. ^ "Cause Stalking" (Amazon)
                                                                                                                                                            5. ^ "Army developing 'synthetic telepathy'"; MSNBC, 10/13/2008.
                                                                                                                                                            6. ^ "Mind-reading scanners could change airport security"; Associated Press, 1/8/2010.
                                                                                                                                                            7. ^ "Army Yanks ‘Voice-To-Skull Devices’ Site"; Danger Room (Wired Magazine), 5/8/2008.
                                                                                                                                                            8. ^ This is an age-old tactic which has a new high-tech twist, thanks to fusion centers and military intelligence being fed to police officers. See: "Fusion Centers To Obtain Access To Classified Military Intelligence"; ACLU, 9/15/2009.

                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                            Footnotes and further reading on this site

                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                            1. ^ “Extreme harassment episodes”; September 2010.
                                                                                                                                                            2. ^ “High-tech interstate stalking by proxy: understanding the crime”; September 2010.
                                                                                                                                                            3. ^ In my series on organized deception, I point out that there are signs early on that things are not as they seem. I get more explicit in “Totally undetectable mind control: subliminal commands, explained”, pointing out that individuals in the target’s vicinity can be made to ‘act out’ without their knowledge.
                                                                                                                                                            4. ^ “Only time, and travel, will tell”; January 2011.
                                                                                                                                                            5. ^ “Oxytocin hormone promotes “out-group aggression”, study says”; June 2010.
                                                                                                                                                            6. ^ “Cause Stalking is a hoax, perpetrated to mislead targets”; October 2010.
                                                                                                                                                            7. ^ “An introduction to electronic harassment”; March 2011.
                                                                                                                                                            8. ^ a b c “Obvious and non-obvious uses of electronic mind control”; March 2011.
                                                                                                                                                            9. ^ I review that book, and several others, in “Targeting-related books” (October 2010).
                                                                                                                                                            10. ^ A reliable source tells me that “handling” of the sort targets are aware of isn’t restricted to targeting. Many successful entrepeneurs, inventors, and artists may also have handlers, without even being aware of it.
                                                                                                                                                            11. ^ a b c While many targets feel they know who is responsible for their targeting, the person who seemed to set everything off might be a pawn or dupe of the real perpetrators. However, just because someone’s been used in this way, doesn’t mean he’s innocent.
                                                                                                                                                            12. ^ “A perpetrator is tried and convicted”; April 2010.
                                                                                                                                                            13. ^ a b “Your mind-controlled perps (and why they don’t get a free pass)”; August 2010.
                                                                                                                                                            14. ^ “Taking credit”; September 2010.
                                                                                                                                                            15. ^ As a general rule, the persons organizing a target’s campaign can be considered perpetrators or stalkers.

                                                                                                                                                             


                                                                                                                                                            1. Re: Targeting terminology  Turner

                                                                                                                                                              They are still stalking me… More of the same tac-tics, but recently at the laundry-matt a seemingly new move was to block my usual path from the washer to the dryer. A family of 3&1/2 came in shortly after I did and posted up in position like they were normally doing their laundry at first I thought nothing of it but when at myApt. I realized that once again it was the perps/stalkers (I can feel more now when the EMF device is being used on me & recall years ago of it was them using the device on me even back then) fir the family could’ve chosen any washer/dryer as it was not that crowded and the way they set up was actually obvious to block me and the emf device was used on me when I went to squeez by saying excuse me to make me bump the clothes cart holding the baby in its hand-held crib cause before going by I knew I had control of my cart and a straight line of path. It was an involuntary movement of my right arm causing me to bump that cart and I heard the perps/stalkers over the ELF make audience sound effects like ohh & ahhaa, but I didn’t realize it till later… They have perps/stalkers come up to me at work (I’m a cashier & work the floor pushing sales& credit card apps.) & start these seemingly normal convos, but then phrases/topics are delved into by the perp (now I know its a perp) that intrest me or that I’m highly opinionated about then I look around slowly and see who is the other perp taking notes/obviously watching its the one who is watching then sees you see them then looks away for amoment and then looks back to continue watching your behavior and this perp even mumbled something when he realized that he was made… So let us not be fooled by these tac-tics this was street theatre although we were’nt in the street. Please share this Jeremy so that we all can stay not fooled as much as we can and not be provoked by this evil

                                                                                                                                                               
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                                                                                                                                                              • Re: Targeting terminology  lkjohnson

                                                                                                                                                                I have a question, regarding satellite technology reference. I have one that is to the back of my home that has been here for years, and is sometimes low in the horizon, or difficult to locate, but can be seen if yo.u look carefully. Sometimes red lights blink on this, and a lot of people in the area have noticed it. My sister in another location has one just like this at her house in New Mexico. I have no proof what this satellite is doing, or why it is here. My guess is that its purpose is as an energy weapon. I dont know if other targets have reported this occurance.

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                                                                                                                                                                • Re: Targeting terminology  jeremy

                                                                                                                                                                  If it’s visible to the naked eye, it’s not in orbit, and it’s not a satellite. Your military friends may be calling it a satellite, but they’re misleading you. Don’t believe me? Check out a dictionary, or Wikipedia:

                                                                                                                                                                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite

                                                                                                                                                                  In the context of spaceflight, a satellite is an object which has been placed into orbit by human endeavour.

                                                                                                                                                                  I suspect some TI’s are enlisted in UAV testing programs.

                                                                                                                                                                  There’s another guy I’ve heard from who’s seeing UAV’s that are roughly the size of small birds (definitely not birds, they’re too mechanical) hovering near his residence and zipping away when he tries to catch up to them. Naturally he’s not going to be believed because of everything else.

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                                                                                                                                                                • Re: Targeting terminology  lkjohnson

                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks Jeremy, and I do believe you, but I am confused about technology, and believed the military source, who looked at it and said “It’s government equipment” I said what does that mean? He said, “It’s a satellite.” The object is rather large, and could be mis-identified, as a UFO. It is several stories tall, and oval in shape, with a series of red lights that occasionally come on and can be solid, or blinking. I will look up UAV testing programs, as that is new to me. Regarding the mechanical bird, I have one at my house, that I thought was part of a noise harrassment program. I saw a picture of a robot hummingbird, that is a drone, developed for the Pentagon. I have not researched this, but is was supposed to be built by AeroVironment, looks like the real thing, takes pictures, for high tech espionage.Thank you for your help, so that I can get to the truth!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                  • Re: Targeting terminology  D. for Citizens That Know

                                                                                                                                                                    I think it is very important to have the clarity of defining what we are dealing with. An excellent tool, and an excellent job you have done, Jeremy. Thank you!

                                                                                                                                                                     
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: Targeting terminology  lkjohnson

                                                                                                                                                                      Jeremy, Could you explain how the use of drones, or UAV testing affects targeted individuals? I see they are used for surveilance, and the military uses in war, like missles, but what exactly would they be testing on citizens? Just sign me confused and uninformed. Thank you!!

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Re: Targeting terminology  jeremy

                                                                                                                                                                        They might be using the TI’s residence as training grounds for UAV pilots, or they might be testing artificial intelligence software that pilots UAV’s. In fact that last one sounds like a really good possibility. I can imagine how the skies are going to be swarming with those things, and there’s no way they can hire enough pilots to fly them all. So they need software.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: Targeting terminology  lkjohnson

                                                                                                                                                                          I think they would have no problem with staff in this military town, with remote piloting UAV’s. I am just a few miles from the hill country with a decreased population, so this location is very noticable, with a lot of subdivisions, near the medical center. The young people going in to the military grew up gaming so that would be easy for them to learn, and they would have a blast doing it too. I just found the military applications, and still don’t know how it relates to targets. Truth will come, but I am still confused. Thanks for responding, and if you find out anything, I would love to hear about it, Thanks for your time.

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                                                                                                                                                                    Posted by jeremy on March 13, 2011 9:52 pm.



                                                                                                                                                                    Mind control technology and techniques have been of interest to governments since World War II, and possibly earlier. There are tantalizing hints of amazing advances in this field, going back more than three decades, but there’s been little discussion about what might be happening since the late 1970’s, when research on non-consenting subjects was allegedly halted.

                                                                                                                                                                    Delgado’s brain chips

                                                                                                                                                                    The interesting fact was that the patient considered the [activity resulting from mind control] spontaneous and always offered a reasonable explanation for it.

                                                                                                                                                                    In the mid-twentieth century, Dr. Jose Delgado was preforming brain experiments more dramatic in some respects than anything being admitted to in the present day.1 His research bore some spectacular fruits, duly reported on by The New York Times 45 years ago:

                                                                                                                                                                    Afternoon sunlight poured over the high wooden barriers into the ring, as the brave bull bore down on the unarmed “matador” – a scientist who had never before faced a fighting bull. But the charging animals horns never reached the man behind the red cape. Moments before that could happen, Dr Jose Delgado, the scientist, pressed a button on a small radio transmitter in his hand and the bull braked to a halt. Then he pressed another button on the transmitter, and the bull obediently turned to the right and trotted away.

                                                                                                                                                                    The bull was obeying commands in his brain that were being called forth by electrical stimulation – by the radio signals – of certain regions in which the fine wires had been painlessly implanted the day before.

                                                                                                                                                                    The experiment, conducted last year in Cordova, Spain, by Dr Delgado of Yale University’s School of Medicine, was probably the most spectacular demonstration ever performed of the deliberate modification of animal behaviour through external control of the brain. He has been working in this field for more than 15 years…

                                                                                                                                                                    …he has been able to “play” monkeys and cats like little electronic toys that yawn, hide, fight, play, mate and go to sleep on command. With such techniques, Dr Delgado has shown [that] monkeys and cats can be triggered into sequential behaviour in which one might open its mouth, turn around, walk to a corner, climb a wall, jump down and return to “start,” repeating those movements in the same order every time they are stimulated…2

                                                                                                                                                                    Remember, this is 45 years ago.

                                                                                                                                                                    One significant finding that came out of Delgado’s research was how readily subjects’ conscious minds collaborated with external electrical impulses, fooling them into believing their actions - actually the result of electronic mind control - were of their own volition. For example, of a patient who was stimulated to move his head from side to side, Delgado wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                    The interesting fact was that the patient considered the evoked activity spontaneous and always offered a reasonable explanation for it. [emphasis added] When asked, “What are you doing?” the answers were, “I am looking for my slippers,” “I heard a noise,” “I am restless,” and “I was looking under the bed.”…3

                                                                                                                                                                    MKULTRA and BLUEBIRD/ARTICHOKE

                                                                                                                                                                    In the period immediately following the second World War, the United States recruited Nazi scientists, some of whom specialized in torture and brainwashing.4 Less than five years later, various U.S. government agencies initiated several mind control experiments, including:

                                                                                                                                                                    • Project MKULTRA, approved in 19535;
                                                                                                                                                                    • An initially independent project, BLUEBIRD (later renamed to Project ARTICHOKE), regarding the study of hypnosis as a possible tool to “get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self-preservation…”6,7,8,9.

                                                                                                                                                                    MKULTRA and its sub-projects studied the use of drugs and other substances, and physical methods, to: “promote illogical thinking and impulsiveness to the point where the recipient would be discredited in public”; “produce the signs and symptoms of recognized diseases in a reversible way so that they may be used for malingering”; “produce amnesia for events”; “lower[ing] the ambition and general working efficiency of men”; and other objectives.10

                                                                                                                                                                    In 1973, CIA Director Richard Helms ordered all MKULTRA files destroyed. Roughly 20,000 documents survived this order due to being incorrectly filed, but most were destroyed, making a complete investigation of MKULTRA impossible. The documents which survived Helms’ order were discovered in a FOIA request, and were the subject of Senate hearings in 1977.11

                                                                                                                                                                    Over the course of 11 years, MKULTRA contracted out work to 80 institutions, which included 44 colleges or universities, 15 research facilities or private companies, 12 hospitals or clinics, and 3 penal institutions.12

                                                                                                                                                                    Some of these institutions:

                                                                                                                                                                    • Universities: University of California at Berkeley13; City College of New York14; Mt. Sinai Hospital NY (Dr. Harold Abramson)15; Columbia University NY15, University of Illinois Medical School (Carl Pfeiffer)15; University of Rochester NY (Harold Hodge)15; University of Oklahoma (Dr. Louis Jolyon-West)15; Harvard University (Henry Beecher)16; University of Maryland Medical School16; Baylor University (Neil Burch)16; University of Washington (James Dille)16; University of Wisconsin (Frank Olson)17; University of Delaware18; University of Nijmegen, Netherlands19; Allan Memorial Institute - McGill U., Montreal20; University of London21; University of Minnesota (Alden Sears)22; University of Houston TX23; Emory University24.
                                                                                                                                                                    • Research foundations and chemical/pharmaceutical companies: Sandoz, Swiss pharmaceutical firm, source for CIA LSD and for Prozac25; New York State Psychiatric Institute (Paul Hoch and James Cattell)16; Rockefeller Foundation26; National Institutes of Health, Washington DC27; Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology28.
                                                                                                                                                                    • Hospitals: Boston Psychopathic Hospital (Dr. Robert Hyde)15; NIMH-sponsored Addiction Research Center, Lexington KY15; Josia Macy, Jr. Foundation15; Geschickter Fund for Medical Research, Washington DC15; Missouri Institute of Psychiatry16; Massachusetts General Hospital16; Veterans Administration Hospital, Palo Alto CA29; Ionia State Hospital, MI30.
                                                                                                                                                                    • Prisons: California [Prison] Medical Facility, Vacaville31; Bordentown NJ Reformatory32.

                                                                                                                                                                    Colin Ross, a psychiatrist, wrote a book based on the MKULTRA documents. He asserted the documents showed conclusively that psychiatrists associated with MKULTRA were using traumatic events to create multiple personalities in test subjects.33

                                                                                                                                                                    … silence

                                                                                                                                                                    Since 1977, there’s been dead silence.

                                                                                                                                                                    You may have been led to believe everything related to Project MKULTRA (and other secret mind control projects) was resolved, but few victims were ever recognized by the court system, and compensation was settled privately. No person involved with nonconsensual experimentation on human beings in Project MKULTRA was ever convicted of a crime.

                                                                                                                                                                    Is there any reason to think governments have lost all interest in mind control techniques and technology; that all the people involved with these projects simply closed up shop after the 1970’s?

                                                                                                                                                                    What’s really been happening?


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                                                                                                                                                                    1. ^ John Horgan (October, 2005). "The Forgotten Era of Brain Chips"; Scientific American 293 (4): 66–73. doi:10.1038/scientificamerican1005-66. (local copy of entire article)
                                                                                                                                                                    2. ^ “‘Matador’ with a Radio Stops Wired Bull Modified Behaviour in Animals the Subject of Brain Study”; May 17, 1965, New York Times. Available online at http://wireheading.com/matador.html (checked 3/13/2011).
                                                                                                                                                                    3. ^ Jos Manuel Rodrguez Delgado (1971). Physical control of the mind: Toward a psychocivilized society, Harper & Row; p. 116.
                                                                                                                                                                    4. ^ Walker, Andrew (2005-11-21). "Project Paperclip: Dark Side of the Moon"; BBC News.
                                                                                                                                                                    5. ^ Church Committee, p. 390
                                                                                                                                                                    6. ^ Estabrooks, G.H. Hypnosis comes of age. Science Digest, 44-50, April 1971.
                                                                                                                                                                    7. ^ Gillmor, D. I Swear By Apollo. Dr. Ewen Cameron and the CIA-Brainwashing Experiments. Montreal: Eden press, 1987.
                                                                                                                                                                    8. ^ Scheflin, A.W., & Opton, E.M. The Mind manipulators. New York: Paddington Press, 1978.
                                                                                                                                                                    9. ^ Thomas, G. Journey into Madness. The Secret Story of Secret CIA Mind Control and Medical Abuse. New York: Bantam, 1989 (paperback 1990).
                                                                                                                                                                    10. ^ "Senate MKULTRA Hearing: Appendix C--Documents Referring to Subprojects", p. 167 (in PDF). Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and Committee on Human Resources. August 3, 1977.
                                                                                                                                                                    11. ^ "Project MKULTRA, the CIA's Program of Research into Behavioral Modification. Joint Hearing before the Select Committee on Intelligence and the Subcommittee on Health and Scientific Research of the Committee on Human Resources, United State Senate, Ninety-Fifth Congress, First Session". U.S. Government Printing Office (copy hosted at the New York Times website). August 8, 1977. (local copy)
                                                                                                                                                                    12. ^ John Marks, "The Search for the Manchurian Candidate: The CIA and Mind Control"; Times Books, 1979. p. 211.
                                                                                                                                                                    13. ^ Ibid, p. 19
                                                                                                                                                                    14. ^ Ibid, p. 60
                                                                                                                                                                    15. ^ a b c d e f g h i Ibid, p. 63
                                                                                                                                                                    16. ^ a b c d e f g Ibid, p. 72
                                                                                                                                                                    17. ^ Ibid, p. 83
                                                                                                                                                                    18. ^ Ibid, p. 118
                                                                                                                                                                    19. ^ Ibid, p. 164
                                                                                                                                                                    20. ^ Ibid, p. 142
                                                                                                                                                                    21. ^ Ibid, p. 170
                                                                                                                                                                    22. ^ Ibid, p. 199
                                                                                                                                                                    23. ^ Ibid, p. 212
                                                                                                                                                                    24. ^ Ibid, p. 215
                                                                                                                                                                    25. ^ Ibid, p. 58
                                                                                                                                                                    26. ^ Ibid, p. 141
                                                                                                                                                                    27. ^ Ibid, p. 151
                                                                                                                                                                    28. ^ Ibid, p. 159
                                                                                                                                                                    29. ^ Ibid, p. 129
                                                                                                                                                                    30. ^ Ibid, p. 165
                                                                                                                                                                    31. ^ Ibid, p. 215
                                                                                                                                                                    32. ^ Ibid, p. 216
                                                                                                                                                                    33. ^ Colin Ross: Bluebird: Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality by Psychiatrists (Manitou Communications, December 6, 2000)

                                                                                                                                                                     


                                                                                                                                                                    (Research credit: the list of institutions involved in MKULTRA was taken from Eleanor White’s review of John Marks’ book.)


                                                                                                                                                                    1. Re: Radio silence on mind control research for 30 years  carolbaldwin

                                                                                                                                                                      Hello and thank you….Didn’t Jose Delgado appear before a congressional committee with these findings of how to control the brain with remote influence. I believe I read this quite a while ago. And didn’t he publish 12 volumes of his research also? Way back then….Carol B

                                                                                                                                                                       
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Re: Delgado and Congress  jeremy

                                                                                                                                                                        It doesn’t appear he ever testified before Congress; his words (presented by someone else) were damaging enough:

                                                                                                                                                                        We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically manipulated. The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.

                                                                                                                                                                        From:
                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/2/psychcivilization.php

                                                                                                                                                                        The quote in question was actually a compilation of statements from Delgado’s various publications, which were accurately cited in an article by Dr. Peter R. Breggins, “The Return of Lobotomy and Psychosurgery.” It was this article that was presented to Congress on 24 February 1972…

                                                                                                                                                                        Bolstering this assertion, here’s a reference to his article, hosted on a .gov site:

                                                                                                                                                                        http://videocast.nih.gov/pdf/ohrp_appendix_psychosurgery.pdf

                                                                                                                                                                        And I am now hosting a copy of Breggins’ article (10 MB PDF): http://areyoutargeted.com/uploads/thereturnoflobotomy.pbreggin.1982.pdf

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Re: Radio silence on mind control research for 30 years  anon

                                                                                                                                                                        J, Thanks for this post & links. I can think of more than a few ppl who need to read this stuff.
                                                                                                                                                                        They are woefully uninformed, especially since they’re already operating outside of their day jobs.

                                                                                                                                                                         
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                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: Radio silence on mind control research for 30 years  mej313

                                                                                                                                                                          Cathy O’Brien’s testimony on having been an MK ULTRA survivor was revealing to me, regardless of her almost grandiose claims of having had sex with many Presidents who held office over the last few decades…. I had only seen a few glimpses of MK UlTRA victim testimony on YouTube and decided that people were being mind controlled in some kind of closed research area. I think more information needs to be disseminated on the subject because I do not believe that much of the research was actually done in a closed “scientific” setting.

                                                                                                                                                                           
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: Radio silence on mind control research for 30 years  mej313

                                                                                                                                                                            By the way, I grew up in Champaign, Illinois, home to the University of Illinois. It is listed as one of the universities that conducted this research. My targeting has been going on for most of my life, and I believe I am slated to die under the MK ULTRA timeframe. I listened to some of Cathy O’Brien’s testimony and then it clicked for me. If there was me, there must have been many others who were unwilling victims, who are they, where are they? If no one is listening to me when I talk about being a TI and trying to get recognition, what should I do to assert the (seeming) fact that I am an MK ULTRA test subject who has been experimented upon and tortured and is still undergoing the torture now in it’s deadly form?

                                                                                                                                                                             
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